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DEAR LOBSTERS: THERE IS A BETTER WAY
On Reddit, you can find a forum for "ex-lobsters," former fans of Canadian psychology professor Jordan Peterson who have become disillusioned by him. Many of them still admire Peterson in certain ways, but have realized that he is not quite what they thought he was. The discussions are worth browsing, because they show how people can become entranced by the peddlers of bad ideas, and how they can change their minds and develop more sensible and healthy worldviews. I find them encouraging, because their testimonials reaffirm my conviction that if leftists can articulate a clear and compelling vision, one that gives people fulfillment and hope, we can create a more humane world.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Dec 30th, 2018 at 12:26:20 PM EST

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So the leftists would just want these men to embrace a comfortable vision? Or would want something more from them?

by das monde on Sun Jan 6th, 2019 at 08:47:07 PM EST
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I see nothing but empathy and compassion in the article, and a desire to offer the victims ways out of their dead-end worldview.

Petersen appears to be afflicted with narcissistic perversion, preying on the weak and vulnerable.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 10:54:40 AM EST
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What if nothing but empathy and compassion is not exactly what is welcome for the guys? Life itself is rather toxic, even to vegetables.

by das monde on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 12:17:41 PM EST
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Yeah I guess empathy and compassion are not manly virtues.

They are, of course, free to choose bad advice (Petersen's) over good.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 03:56:34 PM EST
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This line of argument is a dead end. The proposition that males are incapable of expressing agape => compassion => empathy and acts of mercy => charity is patently implausible.

"Empathy" is a contemporary euphemism for the preceding emotive states. At one point documents on the internet attributed its invention to some obscure but prolific Anglo-american christian theologian (like Niebhur-Obama) whose actual name now escapes me. The damage to ideation of rationality and individuation (not CA "self-actualization") is done. Many Anglo-americans appear incapable of differentiatuing heteronomy and autonomy.

Were the proposition true, not only would (some) "women" not have obtained "equal rights" granted by the misyogynist state ("patriarchy"), human life on earth would not exist. There would be no fMRI illustrated behaviorial economic research results to peruse.

Let's move along.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 05:24:43 PM EST
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