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As I have said elsewhere, the Russians simply wanted to disrupt the effectiveness of Clinton as President.

They didn't support Trump so much as saw him as a useful vehicle to throw mud at Clinton and the US political process. Similarly with Sanders, his role was to undermine Clinton and the Russians were willing to help him all the way. Especially after the primaries where online troll campaigns to suggest that her victory was tainted were intended to damp down enthusiasm from Sanders supporters for Clinton's Presidency attampt.

Classic "enemy of my enemy is my friend". I don't think Putin expected Trump to win. Rather, given how the loss has led to the US digging up the drains on the methods used, he'd rather Trump lost but allowed the GOP to win the rest of DC and tie her up like they tied up Obama. The US would have had 8 years of emails and Benghazi, giving the russians carte blanche in the rest of the world. And that's what the russians really wanted.

For the russians, Trump's has been a Pyrrhic victory

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Feb 25th, 2018 at 05:39:56 PM EST
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Clinton would have had 8 years of Benghazi and emails even without the Russians. You can count on Fox "News" for that. I doubt Putin is so stupid to waste his time on that.  If that's all it was about, it was probably Russian hackers working on their own initiative.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Feb 27th, 2018 at 07:33:05 AM EST
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While I agree in principle, there seems to be some personal bad blood between Putin and Hillary, concerning the Libya "no-fly-zone". And Hillary was one of the most hostile candidates. So the release of the DNC files I consider a real possibility. (Though if that was indeed true, why wait until after the primary?) But paying a few interns to shit post? Unless the Russians really have this unmatched competence they have in the Spike whatever they tried would just be noise below the billions poured into propaganda by all the other players.
by generic on Tue Feb 27th, 2018 at 05:08:45 PM EST
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It was president Mevedev who got hoodwinked by the Obama administration and SoS Hillary Clinton in 2011 to the chagrin of Vladimir Putin.

The lessons of Serbia and Kosovo were not learned, the Americans are for regime change contrary to the UN Charter guaranteeing protection of sovereign states on their internal affairs. That is the prime reason for China to use its veto in the UNSC. It was the international intelligence community that colluded with the false claims of WMDs in Iraq when it was already burdened by a decade of UN sanctions. The illegality of the US led invasion in close liason with the UK was never in question.

The next step by old colonial states of the West with the US is to use the prerogative of the R2P principle. It was conceived after the illegal bombing of Serbia in the 1990s and used to get a first protection order from the UNSC in 2011 for NATO led bombing raids on troops  of Gaddafi. It was to break the siege and "protect" the citizens of Mirata. Russia under Medvedev agreed, the US and the West escalated and set the goal for regime change.

George Bush had failed in 2008 to protect the Rose Revolution of Saakashvili's Georgia and its act of aggression towards South Ossetia. In 2014, the West, NATO and Victoria Nuland succeeded in de coup d'état in Kiev and install a Western ally in the Ukraine. That Crimea would stay under Russian influence should have been a calculated known.

Ever since April 2008 and the NATO meeting in Bucharest, it was clear the United States would not accept Russia as a partner but preferred a Cold War defiance and make Russia a pariah state.

Jaap de Hoop Scheffer: "NATO should not have committed to membership of Ukraine and Georgia."

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by Oui on Wed Feb 28th, 2018 at 06:31:30 PM EST
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Dermokratiya, USA
In 1996, a chaotic mix of Russian schemes -- from fraud and profiteering to old-fashioned conspiracy -- worked to keep Yeltsin in the driver's seat. Throughout, American players silently watched, facilitated, and at times, actively helped construct the Faustian bargain between Yeltsin and his oligarch supporters. This pact would have ruinous effects on Russia's democracy and economy in the decades to come.

[...] it's striking that American influence in Russia was so openly acknowledged. The public record shows clear points of direct American coordination, collusion, and action in Yeltsin's favor. One can only guess what the two nations' archival records would reveal.

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Despite domestic pressure, Clinton made good on his promises to Yeltsin. During the first half of 1996, the White House pushed for a timely IMF loan, refrained from publically pressing for NATO expansion, ignored the Russian oligarchs' massive campaign of fraud and theft, and stayed silent on Yeltsin's brutal war in Chechnya. Clinton also honored Yeltsin's request to not meet privately with Zyuganov during his visit to Moscow. Pickering pressured Grigory Yavlinsky, a member of the liberal Yabloko Party, to drop out of the election's first round to help Yeltsin's chances.

Clinton's staunch defense of Yeltsin's Chechen assault eventually descended into the absurd [...]

That the Yeltsin campaign employed American consultants is hardly controversial. The relay between Richard Dresner and Clinton's chief strategist Dick Morris, however, crossed the line. In his memoir Behind the Oval Office, Morris notes that Dresner offered to keep him in the loop on the Russian presidential race. With Clinton's approval, Morris received weekly opinion poll briefings that he would share with the president, who would in turn pass on recommendations to Dresner via Morris.

Was it some other Clinton?
by das monde on Wed Feb 28th, 2018 at 07:26:43 PM EST
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The US has always interfered in the internal affairs of other states, sometimes not even bothering with rigged elections, just installing their preferred strong man dictator directly.

However it is totally unacceptable for Russia to interfere in US elections. That would be to imply that Russia is somehow the equal of God's own country and the World's only legitimate superpower.

The only country with a special licence to interfere in US elections is Israel. Hell they can even install their operatives in the US defence and intelligence establishment without being accused of spying.

Lying Hillary was fair game as far as Trump was concerned. She should have been in jail anyway. All this Russian collusion stuff is just liberal whingeing anyway. As the Mafia used to say: "It's just business"...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Feb 28th, 2018 at 10:08:36 PM EST
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