Welcome to European Tribune. It's gone a bit quiet around here these days, but it's still going.
Just like Cyrille, I often cannot make sense of your writings: the elliptic references to some backgrounds I obviously don't know anything about, the lengthy dissertations covering screens after screens of comment threads leaving me really confused.

And it's a crying shame because I'm sure you have very interesting things to point out to, that we've never seen from our side of the pond. But in the end, I just fail to decipher your point and I end up just skipping over your writings and moving on. Sorry.

by Bernard on Mon Feb 26th, 2018 at 08:50:21 PM EST
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Like Cyrille and Bernard, I too often have difficulty following the logic or relevance of your posts, Cat, and this is in no way intended as an insult or put-down. It is simply a matter of fact.

In my case it can also not be put down to a lack of familiarity with English, either formal or vernacular, although I fully accept some US idiomatic expressions may be unfamiliar to me.

Some of my issues in understanding your posts relate to content, some to style, and some to context.

In terms of context, the posts often appear to have only the most elliptical or abstruse relevance to the main topic under discussion in a diary.

In terms of content, they often reveal a detailed knowledge of a particular, sometimes obscure, and often legalistic understanding of a topic although I often don't read the documents you cite to mean what you say they mean.

In terms of style, your prose often seems needlessly complex, formal, legalistic, even pretentious. It sometimes feels you write to impress others with your superior knowledge rather than to inform, educate, or even entertain. Occasionally, your interaction with others appears to border on the arrogant or insulting.

I'm sure you don't mean it to be so, but it is important that one is aware of how one's on-line persona can come across to others who have no particular axe to grind with you and mean you nothing but the best. You may be concerned that few enough people here engage with you, and that may be part of the reason.

Writing is a form of communication and you have to try and meet your readers half-way - so that they can link their experience to yours. Coming from very different places with difference styles doesn't imply ignorance or superiority, just difference.

I think Bernard and Cyrille have been very respectful and courteous in their engagement with you and have tried to understand where you are coming from. I hope you will extend them a similar courtesy.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Feb 27th, 2018 at 01:29:45 AM EST
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I mean no offense to you, Cyrille, Bernard or anyone else.

I contribute mostly to NEWSROOM threads. Just as Oui began to contribute to DIARY topical diversity. These take me a while to read but are very informative on topics I know nothing about.

NEWROOM wasn't much populated when I returned to eurotrib, and there was some concern about site participation decline, was there not?

Adding TRUMP to the newsroom was not my doing. Did it increase volume of eurotrib site visits?

I struggle even now to imagine eurotrib-appropriate responses to TRUMP-topics other than open-ended litigation of conspiracy charges and digital advertising practices.

I have linked many primary source documents and gov websites on matters of ostensible vital interest to eutrib "context" and my own in the USA which is necessarily, culturally and politically unorthodox.

I went over this before

I read these pdf's at least once because media digests are unreliable truth-bearers. They always have been. That is the purpose of propaganda, is it not?

Does this "pretension" annoy eurotrib readers?

Canvassing daily news to populate eurotrib NEWSROOM  or OPEN THREAD and inform myself has become a habit. Nested excerpts of pdfs may well look like "lengthy dissertations covering screens after screens of comment threads leaving me really confused" on a phone.

I admit, I add related topical commentary and questions to my own diaries whether or not anyone else comments on the diary subject.

Does this "pretension" annoy eurotrib readers?

I have a lot of leisure time. I thought that obvious. I track multiple topics' developments over time as indicated when I remember to append archived links to my comments. That is not to show off. These are breadcrumbs. Breadcrumbs lead to off-site track-backs. Referring builds visitor volume and sometimes reciprocal linking.

I will stop immediately since this activity is received as my sense of "superiority." It is useless.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Feb 27th, 2018 at 06:35:46 AM EST
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Thanks for your considered response and your contributions are welcome even if some of us find them difficult to understand or engage with. Diversity is a key value for Eurotrib if we are to grow in readership and relevance.

My comment is specific to your style of engagement with other contributors and you may have wondered why so few even try to engage. Maybe you can attract new members who will find your style much more intelligible and engaging. Perhaps some of us old-timers have gotten too used to our own comfort zones.

For reason of time I focus mostly on trying to keep the front page ticking over with European specific topics.  So I can't comment on your contributions to NEWSROOM.  Many thanks for helping to keep it going. Primary sources are always to be preferred. I am not aware of any issues with the TRUMP strand there.

I think you misunderstand what I was trying to say in relation to "pretentious" which relates more to style of engagement rather than content. But I have expressed it as well as I can and so will just leave it at that. Your presence here is valued and appreciated even if some of us find it very difficult to engage with you.

The thing is, Eurotrib is for all who want to participate in good faith and if you can find a way to participate here to your own satisfaction I will be more than pleased.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Feb 27th, 2018 at 10:06:38 AM EST
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