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"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Mar 6th, 2018 at 03:51:27 PM EST
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In the absence of any better qualified commentator on Booman (other than fjallstrom who has written a typically cogent and terse comment here, I have posted the following response on Booman:

Warmed up Hillary soup?

Sorry Booman, but your lead post and some of the comments here are just plain silly. It may or may not be to the Democratic party's advantage to focus on Russian meddling the world over as a way of getting at Trump (and perhaps avoiding a deeper self analysis for Hillary's failure). I will leave it to yourself and your allies to judge what is good politics for you to pursue in the USA.

But as far as Europe is concerned, its just totally off point. Italy has long had a strong Communist party with a history of alignment with the Soviet Union. That party is now weaker than ever, and the 5* movement is NOT it's successor. It is prospering for entirely domestic reasons of austerity, stagnation, and the immigrant crisis. Sure the Russian ambassador is doing his job - while the US has none. A legitimate point to make against Trump. But if you were blogging in Italy, as a progressive, I suspect you would be supporting the 5* movement.

5*'s policy positions are pretty mainstream in Europe. Virtually nobody doubts that the US and EU meddled in the Ukraine and that that meddling backfired spectacularly. Virtually nobody knows who to support in Syria. Probably all but humanitarian interference there is to be avoided. Certainly it is difficult to see the US position as obviously preferable to Putin's. Probably the best outcome, and now the obvious one, is for Assad's regime to win quickly so as to minimise further loss of life. There is almost nothing left to win there anyway, and it is in Europe's interest to limit the further inflow of refugees that is destabilising European politics.

But you risk delegitimising the US progressive left abroad by buying into neo-con fantasies and media propaganda. It was a difficult enough choice for most progressives outside the US to choose between Hillary's neo-con warmongering and Trump's totally incompetent isolationism. Either way the USA and the rest of the world loses. If the US left cannot offer us something better we will become indifferent to the result of the mid-terms and even Trunmp's re-election - always assuming he doesn't actual start a nuclear war somewhere or a trade war with the rest of the world - something he seems intent on doing. Either way, everybody loses. Is a moderately competent conservative US President the best we can hope for in the future?

Is that all the US left have to offer? Or do you simply not care what the rest of the world thinks? The USA has already lost it's place as the largest economy in the world (measured in PPP GDP (IMF and CIA World Factbook) . It has also lost almost all semblance of leadership in world politics. I am personally not looking forward to China taking over, and the EU is too diffuse a power ever to exert really powerful global leadership. But I am fearful of what will happen in the vacuum of there being almost no global leadership of any kind. Can you offer us nothing better than warmed up Hillary soup?



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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Mar 6th, 2018 at 05:46:53 PM EST
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Harsh, but entirely fair

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Mar 6th, 2018 at 10:15:47 PM EST
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I have in general stopped commenting on Russiagate, though I keep reading to see if anything more substantial turns out. But when the Russia-explanation spills over into Europe I tend to react.
by fjallstrom on Wed Mar 7th, 2018 at 12:03:16 PM EST
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