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The pain of leaving will be traumatic and immense, the country will eat bread and onions for a few years until freedom from the Euro-yoke is complete, but then its ability to re-flower its economy will be by its own merit, not because a generation of sleazy politicians wasted zillions on boondoggle vanity projects financed by cheaper interest rate loans than they were used to, indebting the country up to its eyeballs.

This is exactly what the Brexiteers in the UK are saying, (although they are downplaying the bread and onions bit...).

I think you are right that globalisation has hurt Italy badly. Many of the industries, products and designs it pioneered are now produced in Asia and eastern Europe. The UK handled that by my switching to financial services, brand building, and some high tech industries. Germany had greater economies of scale and simply excelled at manufacturing and with robots making labour costs less important. Other than tourism, I'm not sure what the Italian strategy is, but I doubt ongoing devaluations will be a long term solution.

You are also right that the 3% and 60% rules were arbitrary and ignored when it suited Germany's or France's purposes. They should never have been enshrined in a Treaty. But the problem with them is that they limit the scope a government has implement counter-cyclical policies to deal with asymmetric shocks or sudden down-turns. Ongoing borrowing in the long term simply increases interests costs which creates a cycle of ever increasing debt and impoverishment. Unless your strategy is to default on debt every now and again, in which case virtually no one will lend to you.

AFAIK most of Italy's debt is held by the ECB as a result of QE and by Italians themselves, so any default would be devastating for Italian bond-holders, some of which may be wealthy but many of which are ultimately funding pensions. The ECB QE policy was primarily to get highly indebted countries like Italy, Greece and Ireland out of a hole by buying up government debt when private debt markets won't do so except at exorbitant rates to reflect what they say as default risk.  This has helped the Eurozone economy generally to recover to the extent that large government deficits should no longer be needed and debt burdens as a % of GDP should be being reduced in any case.

So at the moment I don't see the Euro (or even its stupid rules) being a problem for Italy. Globalisation is, but you would have to leave the EU (not just the euro) if you wanted to introduce protectionist policies. And while you say the EU is facilitating globalisation, in fact third countries will tell you that the EU is a very protected market - particularly for agricultural produce. World prices for many goods are much lower than European ones, and European farmers get CAP payments to compensate.

If I were Italian, I would be waiting to see how Brexit works out before going down that road.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jun 7th, 2018 at 09:31:25 AM EST
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Italian debt
The Italian government debt is the public debt owed by the government of Italy to all public and private lenders. As of January 2014, the Italian government debt stands at €2.1 trillion (131.1% of GDP).[1] However, Italy has the lowest share of public debt held by non-residents of all eurozone countries and the country's national wealth is four times larger than its public debt.[2]The Italian public debit is in 2017 owned by the private sector only for the 6% of the total amount. This percentage decreased a lot from 1988, where this share was 57%

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In 2014, the Bank of Italy estimated that Italians held €180 billion in undeclared assets abroad, a figure that was three times as high as in 2004

In other words, without QE and low interest rates, Italy would have been in a lot more trouble when even Italian investors won't invest in Italy. The fact that Italian politicians may have squandered the benefits of low interest rates is also hardly Germany's fault, for whom that assertion merely reinforces perceptions of Italian profligacy.

So I am suggesting to you that the Euro is the wrong bogeyman. Blame if you will, and leave it if you must. We will see how Brexit works out for the UK, and they don't even have the excuse of blaming the Euro...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jun 7th, 2018 at 09:47:58 AM EST
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We will see how Brexit works out for the UK, and they don't even have the excuse of blaming the Euro...

They blamed immigration, even though lots of immigrants are from outside the EU. So I don't see why they can't blame the Euro despite not being in the Euro....

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Jun 7th, 2018 at 09:56:39 AM EST
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And now with Sterling devaluation and Brexit uncertainty, immigration is going down anyway and they can't get the workers they need to do the jobs they don't want to...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jun 7th, 2018 at 10:43:58 AM EST
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Such as teaching Gaelic...
Scotland has an acute shortage of qualified Gaelic teachers, so parents on the western island of Mull were stunned when the UK government refused to grant a visa for the sole candidate for a new position at one of its local schools. 

Blocking entry to Canadian Sìne Halfpenny has meant children at Bunessan primary school have been denied the chance to be taught in Gaelic -- seen as a vital way to maintain the ancient but endangered language -- for more than half a year. 

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Jun 7th, 2018 at 03:24:50 PM EST
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