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Well, it certainly seems like the coup did have NATO involvement. I doubt Trump just thought of picking a fight with Erdogan on his own. Might be looking at a Trump whisperer.
by generic on Tue Aug 14th, 2018 at 08:24:45 PM EST
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U.S. envoy for religious freedom Sam Brownback talks to media outside the Aliaga Prison

Andrew Brunson, the face that launched 1,000 wtfs.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Aug 14th, 2018 at 08:37:38 PM EST
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In my view Trump is seeking political obedience from Erdogan to release preacher.

Furthermore, it appears the Pentagon and IC has a squeeze on the president. Erratic behavior on foreign policy statements within 24 hours. Doesn't help that Turkey is in the coalition with Syria, Russia and Iran.

In Iraq the new government will be formed by "outcast" Muqtada al-Sadr.

by Oui on Tue Aug 14th, 2018 at 09:12:11 PM EST
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... an understatement, flanking the Israel beach head in the "Greater Middle East" , Turkey is a 'target of economic war', Erdogan says.

Retired Admiral James Stavridis, an ex-NATO supreme allied commander, urged Washington and Ankara to do all they can to improve relations.
"To lose Turkey would be a geopolitical mistake of epic proportions," he told MSNBC on Monday.
To which I add, a "new world order" will arise of his making, as Mr Trump is also turning the proverbial screws on EU gov with all the vim and vigor of Vic Nuland. He may be aroused now, but "no man, however strong, can ever accomplish anything good or bad, without the help of others." This is his blind spot.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Aug 15th, 2018 at 01:45:32 AM EST
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alrighty then.

I can see global economic incontinence this time next year. The proximate perversity will not be tariff competition but, likely, demand destruction across commodity markets. I don't think either IMF or WTO can contain status quo much longer and offer scarce incentive to those at the bottom of the supply chain who've nothing left to lose. Alliances are regrouping.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Aug 15th, 2018 at 03:22:43 AM EST
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To which I add, a "new world order" will arise of his making, as Mr Trump is also turning the proverbial screws on EU gov with all the vim and vigor of Vic Nuland.

The Intercept - Donald Trump and the Coming Fall of American Empire
A new book by the famed historian Alfred McCoy predicts that China is set to surpass the influence of the U.S. globally, both militarily and economically, by the year 2030. At that point, McCoy asserts the United States empire as we know it will be no more. He sees the Trump presidency as one of the clearest byproducts of the erosion of U.S. global dominance, but not its root cause. At the same time, he also believes Trump may accelerate the empire's decline.
h/t Helen
by Bernard on Wed Aug 15th, 2018 at 10:54:09 AM EST
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Well, it certainly seems like the coup did have NATO involvement.
[citation needed]

I doubt Trump just thought of picking a fight with Erdogan on his own.

Andrew Brunson case: US takes narrow view in dispute with Turkey over pastor - DW

The implication of the Trump administration's rhetoric is that US pressure on Turkey could be dropped if Brunson were released. That makes the myopic focus on Brunson, whose cause has been picked up by Trump's evangelical base, problematic.

"Brunson's detention is egregious, and the United States should be making every effort to secure the release of American citizens unjustly imprisoned overseas. That said, by justifying human rights-related sanctions only on the grounds of the Turkish government's treatment of Brunson, rather than on that government's abysmal human rights record writ large, the administration has clearly placed a disproportionate emphasis on a single individual," said Rob Berschinski, the Senior Vice President for Policy at Human Rights First.

"It's hard not to infer that the administration is using the Brunson case to pander to its supporters, given Brunson's profession as an evangelical Christian pastor, and the extent to which the administration has been much less aggressive concerning other Americans detained in Turkey," added Berschinski, a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy and Human Rights.

(my emphasis)
by Bernard on Wed Aug 15th, 2018 at 10:47:27 AM EST
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"It's hard not to infer that the administration is using the Brunson case to pander to its supporters,

I kinda thought that was a given, all policy, domestic and foreign is about appealing to his base and their prejudices. It's bread and circuses

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 15th, 2018 at 12:54:09 PM EST
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Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Aug 15th, 2018 at 03:03:59 PM EST
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Well, it certainly seems like the coup did have NATO involvement.

Let's examine only a US state-approved fact authority (as if historical US rules of hegemony, of which the institution of NATO hierarchy and its concerted objective, destabilization of political and economic rivals worldwide do not apply) to identify:

I. means (US manufactured armament including but not limited to aircraft sales, chain of command, military and political intelligence);
II. motive (including but not limited to methods of organizational hygiene such as "discipline" within NATO ranks); and
III. opportunity (perennial real and imagined "insubordination" of US command --passive-aggressive behavior-- by Turkey gov)

Premises
Greece and Turkey, NATO members since 1952, of which FUCKUS designated trash cans since 1952. Indeed "the coup did have NATO involvement."

Argument

  1. 2005. US *asylum to Fethullah Gülen, confirmed "leader" of an insurgent "movement" in Turkey.
    The Gülen movement has some infiltration at the least in the military that I am aware of. They of course had extreme infiltration into the police and judiciary earlier. I saw that when I was in Turkey previously, particularly in the Sledgehammer case, Hakan Fidan case, and the corruption cases in 2013. ...

  2. 2016. July 2016 Turkish military asylum incident in Greece
eight Turkish military personnel claimed asylum in Greece. ...  This was one of multiple similar incidents during the coup attempt.

3. NATO "plausible deniability" instantiated by a third-party tweet and
The United Nations Security Council [of which NATO member veto privilege] however, did not denounce the coup after disagreements over the phrasing of a statement.[70]

Conclusion
Yes, NATO members involvement in the 2016 Turkish coup d'état attempt is factually incontrovertible.


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Aug 15th, 2018 at 03:02:52 PM EST
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Erdogan, Macron vow to boost economic ties: Turkish presidential source
of course, Erdogan is lying, because dictator, failed state, censorhisp, mostly-musllim

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Aug 16th, 2018 at 05:04:20 PM EST
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Of course, Macron is lying, because his lips are moving

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Aug 17th, 2018 at 01:40:55 PM EST
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