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I think the MPs can only vote down a Government, I'm not sure they can force a PM to do its bidding.

Y'see, if a Government is defeated on a major policy issue, then the immediate response is that there is a vote of No Confidence. However, as many Tory Remain MPs consider their chances of being re-elected pretty slim, they would, in effect, be voting to lose their jobs. So they wouldn't do it.

Even if the Government won a NC vote, then if the original issue were re-voted, how would the Tory remainers. To vote against the govt would be wasting parliamentary time. To vote with it would be to signal their own defeat.

Politics is a dirty game and the Tory Remainers have few places of safety; forcing the issue is not one of them.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 7th, 2018 at 02:38:23 PM EST
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Similarly, short of assassination(s), the US Constitution grants the US Congress and the polity it is believed to represent --itself denied national referenda-- only impeachment verdict rendered by the chambers' members. And even this they are incapable of agreement on what conduct by a head of state is socially unacceptable, as is the custom.

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by Cat on Wed Aug 8th, 2018 at 12:51:15 PM EST
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Spain recently had a change of government majority without a parliamentary election.

Just throwing this in the mix. I have no idea how that would work. It would seem to require a certain number of Tory MPs pledging not to vote against a Labour government.

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by eurogreen on Wed Aug 8th, 2018 at 03:36:31 PM EST
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Lots of countries has "national unity" governments in times of war or emergency generally made up of the major parties combining to form a government with a very large majority, and sometimes only a token opposition. The all-party coalitions of Herbert Henry Asquith and David Lloyd George in the First World War and of Winston Churchill in the Second World War were sometimes referred to as National Governments.

So if there is an anti-no-deal Brexit majority in Parliament, they could prevent that outcome and even takes the reins of government themselves - presumably under a leader acceptable to all factions - i.e not Johnson or Corbyn.

But I can't see it happening. Party allegiances are too strong, and there is no obvious alternate leader.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Aug 10th, 2018 at 05:17:37 PM EST
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Well, that's not what happened in Spain. No war, no emergency. The government fell because it failed a confidence vote, and the opposition cobbled together a confidence-and-supply majority which contains a couple of right-wing parties (albeit separatist).

I'm not saying it will happen in the UK, but it's not unthinkable in terms of parliamentary democracy.

However we are in fact talking about a national emergency : a government paralysed by warring factions which is sleepwalking towards disaster. Just bringing down the government and calling new elections would not be enough, because of the delay. An emergency "technical" government would be required, to negotiate a halt to Brexit.

But I suppose you're right : there are not enough Tories with the requisite intestinal fortitude.

Unless... Boris's populist moves may make the continued existence of the Conservative party untenable, and facilitate the sort of rebellion required?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Aug 13th, 2018 at 08:58:17 AM EST
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