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As I wrote in another diary;-

I don't know how it was reported elsewhere but the BBC might as well have been reporting a state funeral. They were all but playing solemn music as they reported on how comprehensively May's proposals were rejected.

The gap over Ulster is just too great, everything else can be finessed but Ireland requires a hard solution.

She did look kinda shell-shocked actually. After months of tough negotiations with Jacob Rees-Mogg to create a set of proposals that avoid destroying the Tory party, she seemed genuinely surprised that she wasn't being applauded to the rafters in Salzburg for her clever proposals. It's almost as if it never occured to her that the EU had a viewpoint that needed to be considered.

It's not long until the Tory party conference and, given this debacle, I'd be shocked if there weren't stand up fights in the auditorium, resignations and a, metaphorical or otherwise, stabbing or two backstage.

And there's already talk of a General Election being called.

The EU has never really understood that brexit was all about holding the Tory party together. So the EU never had a counter-party to negotiate with.

The finnicky details of leaving were never something leavers were concerned with. They were self-styled brexiteers, blue-sky big-picture people. Details were for little people and they were affronted to find that people expected them to actually get off their butts and drive negotiations forward. That was the point when the wheels came off cos they didn't have a plan, heck they didn't even have a clue. They didn't know what the EU did and didn't know how they did it. So, it's no surprise they didn't know how to organise leaving.

May tried to make Davis, Johnston and Fox, the three loudest most pomous windbags the focal point of the leave campaign. But, that was never gonna fly;-
Davis is a fool who, even in a Westminster populated by the vain and stupid is notable for being vain and stupid,

Liam Fox is a man who understands Ministerial Responsibility to involve going to sunny parts of the world, often with his special "friend" and adviser, and having expensive meals with foreigners. the idea that work might be involved baffles him.

As for Boris Johnston; this is a man who, if he was outside the tent, would piss in, but when he is inside the tent he only improves his aim. He wants to be Prime Minister; not because he has idea of how to run the country, but in the Trumpian wants-to-tell-everybody-what-to do tin-pot-dictator kind of way. Everything he does is designed to advance his cause and frustrae those who stand in his way. So he was never interested in brexit cos a succesful one would burnish May, not himself. A No-Deal brexit has always been the catastrophe he sought.

After they spent 18 MONTHS faffing about, we are where we are, which is that the UK is no nearer knowing how to leave the EU than it was before Article 50 was invoked. There is still no concensus of opinion, even within the brexiters, let alone the Tory party at large, about what a good brexit would look like.

Yes, you'd think these things are basic that any normal group of people would do before entering into one of the most complext legal and political negotiations in the country's history. But they're not normal, they're tories. For the last 40 years their entire credo of "governance" has been about the abdication of responsibility for anything.

We have had a summer of chaos on the railways from organisational meltdown for which a Board of inquiry has decided that the problem is that there was nobody in charge. Yet the Minister for Transport is going around TV studios saying that none of this has anything to do with him.

We have a Minister for Ulster who not only doesn't understand the difference between Unionists and Nationalists, she boasts about it on national radio. Because why should a mere Minister in CHARGE know anything about the situation they're managing.

Seriously, even Dilbert's pointy-headed manager is better than this lot.

So May's idiot plan based on customs rainbows and border unicorns and please please can we carry on trading with Europe like before but without all the bits we don't like has run into adult reality and been smashed to bits.

Quite frankly we are in unknown territory. As they said at the start of the TV puppet show "Stingray";-

ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN IN THE NEXT HALF HOUR!!!!



keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 21st, 2018 at 08:13:04 AM EST
Well - this is British public school management culture at its worst.

You have a plan, you tell other people to make it happen chop chop, you go off on your holidays. When you return, there's your plan - or something like it - and you take all the money and credit and don't even say thank you.

If something goes wrong you shout at people and strut around looking and feeling important until someone else decides to fix the problem.

You are master of your universe, the unquestioned alpha monarch in your domain, and it's all perfectly splendid. You get your way, no one else matters, and that's the natural order of things.

Until you meet someone who has more power, money, and pragmatic intelligence than you do.

It's important to understand this is not exaggeration. I've met people like this, and in a few instances narrowly avoided working for them. Their inability to understand how the world really works is quite breathtaking.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Sep 21st, 2018 at 09:45:25 AM EST
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I have, unfortunately, first hand experience of the culture you describe. The really unfortunate part is that it is not entirely restricted to the products of public boarding schools.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Sep 21st, 2018 at 09:53:55 AM EST
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The elite school background just adds a special extra layer of entitlement and delusion, but I think it's to some extent a natural state for certain people with certain personality types who find themselves in managerial positions, and they're by no means limited to Britain.  The likelihood of dealing with them seems to increase exponentially as one works closer to any kind of political power.

Shit, I worked for people like that for years until I got so tired of banging my head against the wall that I took a large pay cut to get the hell out, and they were all middle-class people who went to generic state universities.  But yeah, swap them for a bunch of Yale/Harvard/Duke/whatever dipshits, and you get all the awfulness but insulated with the cultural reverence for "elite" education.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Sep 22nd, 2018 at 12:13:43 PM EST
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and worthy of a diary of its own. You have also inspired me to write a diary on the latter years of my working career in London... but that is for another day!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Sep 21st, 2018 at 09:49:31 AM EST
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"The EU has never really understood that brexit was all about holding the Tory party together. So the EU never had a counter-party to negotiate with. "

I think EU leaders understood this well enough, and were willing to give her as much latitude as possible in order to avoid a mutually damaging no deal Brexit. I think Salzburg finally disabused them of the delusion that she would be able to deliver on a deal and that they had better start working on plan B: Prepare for a no deal Brexit and hope that someone who could deliver on a deal takes her place.

I actually think that someone like BoJo could actually have the audacity to agree a deal absolutely unthinkable now and sell it to the Brexiteers as a win. He needs to find a way to topple her and buy off the DUP with some shameless bribery or chicanery without precipitating a general election.

The almost universal rejection of Chequers is her epitaph - like Camberlain's Munich "peace in our time" agreement with Hitler. Now she just has to go, if she has the wit to recognize it.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Sep 21st, 2018 at 10:39:04 AM EST
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I agree the EU people understood it - but it wasn't really incumbent on them to bother their heads with it. It was up to the UK to do the thinking. Ooops.

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Fri Sep 21st, 2018 at 11:59:54 AM EST
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The almost universal rejection of Chequers is her epitaph - like Camberlain's Munich "peace in our time" agreement with Hitler.

This comparison seems unfair to Chamberlain.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Sep 22nd, 2018 at 12:20:23 PM EST
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It is unfair to Chamberlain. By the time Chamberlain became PM it was essential for the UK to buy time to rearm. May is just exhibiting feckless folly in the service of her own self-image.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Sep 23rd, 2018 at 06:47:28 PM EST
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Seriously, even Dilbert's pointy-headed manager is better than this lot.

Well, he's survived for a respectable number of years. Which is unlikely to happen to them.

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Fri Sep 21st, 2018 at 11:53:29 AM EST
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brava!

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Sep 21st, 2018 at 01:48:12 PM EST
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