Has the backstop back-fired on Ireland? | 69 comments (69 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Has the backstop back-fired on Ireland? (none / 1)

EU27 already have customs surveillance for third-country import in place at its ports.

EU27 already have indicated to comical effect willingness to overlook low-value "slippage" between UK("NI") and IE.

The dilemma for UK is how to export bulk quantities of raw and finished goods (high-value) from the Big Island to EU27 and ROW without detection.

This board has been given many indications over the prior 6 months as to how EU27 intends to modify procedures and personnel, regardless feigned "technical" helplessness from UK gov.

To catch a pirate, one must think like a pirate.

The more pertinent and vital question is: How might EU27 facilitate movement of people between UK("NI") and IE in the event UK gov goes "full" North Korea?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Jan 18th, 2019 at 09:47:39 PM EST
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ROW? (none / 0)

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Jan 20th, 2019 at 10:39:54 AM EST
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Re: ROW? (none / 0)

Republic of Wales, natch

Alternatively, Rest Of World

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by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Sun Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:10:38 AM EST
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Re: ROW? (none / 0)

What is the difficulty with "the big island" "exporting" goods to Wales or the rest of the world post Brexit?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:14:17 AM EST
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"What is the difficulty" (none / 0)

container (TEU) --load, transit, unload

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Jan 20th, 2019 at 06:35:53 PM EST
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Rest of World (none / 0)

wherever it appears in my remarks, past or future

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Jan 20th, 2019 at 06:33:57 PM EST
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Re: Rest of World (none / 0)

Brexit is essentially a dispute between countries that are currently within the EU. Trade with the rest of the world need not be impacted one way or the other, except perhaps by Sterling depreciation, and perhaps some depreciation of the Euro relative to the $. EU27 trade with the UK could be effected very greatly indeed, depending on the precise shape Brexit eventually takes, but trading with the ROW will be governed largely by the same WTO rules and FTAs as now.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Jan 20th, 2019 at 08:43:00 PM EST
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Re: Rest of World (none / 0)

Correct.

What are the consequences for UK trader given exit from EU? My remarks concern the consequences for UK traders on exit, given NI and IE are significant supply nodes in UK manufactures and distribution of ("marketing") unfinished and finished goods to EU27 and ROW.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Jan 20th, 2019 at 09:19:10 PM EST
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Re: Rest of World (none / 0)

It is generally not a good idea for an island dependent on other nations to help manufacture, distribute or sell their products to piss off said nations...

Hence Ireland is (i) keen to remain in the EU, and (ii) anxious to maintain as functional and friction free trade with the UK as possible.

The UK doesn't seem to be as concerned about this, or else thinks that the ROW can't manage without them...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Jan 20th, 2019 at 10:52:54 PM EST
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PS distribution (none / 1)

Tory gov labors with the belief that UK manufacturer (any industry) will be able to replace trade with EU27, in part or wholly.

To accomplish this feat manufacturers require access to diverse, international air and sea ports as well as long-haul transport. Manifest and customs inspection will be inescapable.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Jan 20th, 2019 at 09:25:17 PM EST
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errata (none / 0)

long-haul capacity

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Jan 20th, 2019 at 09:26:17 PM EST
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Re: Rest of World (4.00 / 4)

I recall that trading with the ROW has been flogged here and elsewhere to no certain conclusion, except that it will not be simple and easy as implied in your comment by tagging along to existing WTO and phantom FTA rules. It will be a desolate chore to disentangle the island from 40 years of EU legislation and provisions and ferret out trade agreements on advantageous terms with the world's economic giants.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sun Jan 20th, 2019 at 10:43:14 PM EST
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