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Northern Ireland: Suspected car bomb explodes in Londonderry | DW |

A suspected car bomb exploded in the Northern Irish city of Londonderry late on Saturday, police have said.

"As far as we know no one injured," police wrote on Facebook.

A photo posted by the police's Twitter account showed what appeared to be a car in flames outside of a courthouse near the city center.

Officers said they were evacuating people from the location of a second suspected car bomb elsewhere in the city.

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PSNI receives warning before car bomb explodes in Derry | The Irish Times |

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Sun Jan 20th, 2019 at 07:47:30 AM EST
in order to open consideration of inter-gov "diplomacy" PR to achieve specific goals for EU27:

"Peace and stability" is a platitude.
That condition can be satisfied by violent subjugation. (UK gov) Or by cooperation within the opposition to in order to obtain specific, vital resources: (1) negotiated settlement, (2) non-violent disobedience, desuetude, evasion, material safety (3) retreat (BATNA).

Absent re-incarnation by Sun Tzu, a reasonable observer could confidently state, negotiated settlement has failed. That outcome is not "shameful", IF one has learned from the experience how to act in order to foreclose future risks of failure.

Forget polling. Forget Foster. Foster is one. Foster is one of many lying SOSs who dominate UK gov and discourse on withdrawal in UK. Whatever UK gov says will not respect what they do. UK gov is regrouping in predictable impolitic fashion.

Theresa May seeks bilateral treaty with Ireland

The Sunday Times said aides to May believe a deal with Dublin would remove the huge opposition to the [UK] withdrawal agreement setting out its divorce from the European Union.
NB. further, change in terminology: "one group of MPs plans to table a motion this week that would suspend the country's withdrawal process under the EU's Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty."

Typical "divide and conquer" rhetoric in motion on one flank; arming subversives in disputed territory on the other.

Ethics lesson: For each, given my knowledge and belief, how should I do? How will I act?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Jan 20th, 2019 at 06:12:37 PM EST
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The Guardian view on Brexit and Ireland: a danger to peace  | Editorial |

    That past, where symbols summon deadly emotions, has been revived by English nationalists in the Tory party who appear comfortably ignorant of the Troubles. Erasing the border in Ireland, once dotted with watchtowers and checkpoints, was necessary. But Brexit put the deadly issues of the Irish border and sovereignty back into mainstream debate. Dissident republicans have been blamed by the police for the van bomb attack on a Derry courthouse. Their ideological patrons have long recognised Brexit's potential to reignite the conflict, with one quoted in academic Marisa McGlinchey's new study Unfinished Business as saying it was "the best chance we've had since 1916".

Derry on alert: Police respond to reports of abandoned vehicle, homes evacuated

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by Oui on Tue Jan 22nd, 2019 at 09:04:40 AM EST
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Nobody in Ireland (or at least v.v. few) want the violence to return, or even to use the threat of violence as a bargaining chip in the Brexit negotiations. But it wasn't Irish people who put the border back on the agenda by their wanton disregard of the effect of Brexit on Ireland and the flippant reference to "new technology" as a means to solve all problems.

The DUP knew well enough the potential of Brexit to restart the culture and sectarian wars in N. Ireland, but carried on regardless even after Brexit had been decisively defeated in the referendum in N. Ireland. Theresa May either didn't know or didn't care what the effect of aligning herself with the DUP would have on the politics of the island, and consequently on her negotiations with the EU.

If the outcome is a "no deal" Brexit all these chickens will come home to roost. Ongoing conflict between the UK and EU, a possible trade war, economic decline in the UK, political instability in N. Ireland, and perhaps a return to violence. Who put these idiots in charge?

Is It Derry or Londonderry?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2019 at 12:10:12 PM EST
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Let's remember that any Brexit, no matter how soft, undermines the peace process because it removes the shared layer of EU citizenship.

Whoops.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2019 at 12:43:00 PM EST
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And yet many, although by no means all, Northern Unionists were happy enough to ditch that shared citizenship, presumably because they were not pushed about sharing anything political with nationalists at all... even where it did not impact on their precious Union with Great Britain.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2019 at 01:30:06 PM EST
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Sure, because they miss the fucking civil war. Their glory days.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2019 at 01:59:05 PM EST
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And yet many, although by no means all, Northern Unionists were happy enough to ditch that shared citizenship ....

[As I expect you are aware], some "signifcant" unionists (strangely) recognised the value of continued EU citizenship in 2016, despite campaiging for 'Leave'.

Apply for Irish passport if you can, advises DUP MP Ian Paisley

Pity about their subsequent actions and of their friends.

by oldremainmer48 on Tue Jan 22nd, 2019 at 06:04:03 PM EST
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There is a syndrome, perhaps best described as political Schizophrenia, whereby Unionists, and even hard line unionists, see no contradiction between lambasting nationalists and the Republic at every opportunity, and yet send their kids to Trinity College Dublin, go to rugby matches in Dublin, and generally spend quite a lot of their business and leisure time "down south".

Most are uncomfortably aware that the south is thriving economically while the North is stagnating, and that their favourite stereotyping of the south as a priest ridden papal fiefdom is increasingly out of date. But never let the facts get in the way of a good slogan or a bit of "other bashing". Brexiteer bashing of the EU is very tame by comparison.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2019 at 09:10:53 PM EST
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