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Through black-ops and covert operations, European states have remained vassal states of the USA. Through Trump and his ilk this is about to change for the better.

Re: Explaining the EU to outsiders  (4.00 / 3)

America seems, in your account, Frank, to be something of an absent kind uncle. But America is no more absent from Europe than it is from any other major sector of the world. Certainly, in the postwar years, American policy was to support economic integration in Western Europe opposite the Soviet-controlled Eastern bloc. What should not be forgotten is that the same benevolent power was running stay-behind ops in Italy and Belgium (and would have in France too, absent De Gaulle), cooperating with British anti-Communist ops in Greece, tolerating dictatorships in Spain and Portugal, and using Britain and West Germany as Cold War bases, staging-grounds, and propaganda flyers.

The Soviet threat gone, American policy is to support EU/NATO expansion eastwards to prevent Russia from reasserting its influence over Central and Eastern Europe. What America wants from the EU is definitely not political integration into a power capable of being a rival on the world stage. America supports a large neoliberal free-trade area of independent member states with which it can maintain bilateral relations as and how it wishes - in other words, no single rival power but many vassals. (The question that should have been put to Kissinger re his telephone quip is, "How pleased would you be to have just one number and a strong voice at the other end of the line?").

Ideally for the US, EU vassals should be putting more blood and treasure into military undertakings, making NATO a more perfect tool of American policy while freeing up American military resources for presence elsewhere on the planet. EU member states tend to pussy-foot on that, though remaining by and large obedient to American wishes. Such as, for instance, accepting the secret negotiation of a trade treaty combining the US and EU in a single trade area.

As for Britain's role in all this, it has often been described as America's Trojan Horse in the EU. Britain has now spent thirty years fighting for disunion and neoliberalism, so Trojan Horse sounds fair enough, if mild.

Signed, The Atlanticist ;)

by afew on Tue Sep 30th, 2014 at 03:22:02 AM PDT

    Re: Explaining the EU to outsiders (none / 1)

    Thanks for pointing that out.  I think I beat you to the "Trojan Horse" comment in a comment I made on Kos:

    Explaining the European Union to outsiders

    I should have added that the USA was also v. supportive of UK efforts to incorporate Eastern European States as quickly as possible to prevent them falling into a Russian Sphere of influence as well as to prevent EU political Union and Economic integration proceeding too fast and to effectively.

    Do the British elite how isolated economically and how irrelevant politically the UK could become if it did leave the EU?  If so, why do they continue to play the dangerous game of stoking up anti-EU feeling at every opportunity - or have some elements of the elite not gotten the memo yet?

    Index of Frank's Diaries

    by Frank Schnittger on Tue Sep 30th, 2014 at 04:01:39 AM PDT

Emphatic 'No' by de Gaulle | The Guardian - Nov. 1967 |

Related reading ...

More about Trojan Horses here @EuroTrib and earlier @BooMan

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Sun Jan 13th, 2019 at 03:16:26 PM EST
I would suggest that figuring out "what the US wants" in global relationships is not very easy to do right now. We are currently dealing with a particularly challenging set of internal problems and aren't really paying attention to Europe.

For example, within the next two years we may end up with:

  • A continuation of the current administration.
  • A transition to an administration run by a Christian Dominionist.
  • A transition to an administration run by a triangulating centrist Democrat.
  • A transition to an administration run by young progressives.

It is completely up in the air right now.
by asdf on Sun Jan 13th, 2019 at 03:31:27 PM EST
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good comments summarizing 70 years of US/UK/EU policy.

Not sure that, even after Trump, there will be much capability/appetite in the US to attempt to re-assert itself in europe; there would be too much work needed to undo the damage.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jan 13th, 2019 at 06:19:30 PM EST
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Without the UK the US will find it hard-to-impossible to exert the influence ... and control? ... it has had in the EU.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Tue Jan 15th, 2019 at 06:03:24 PM EST
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Atlanticism is alive and well in the EU aside from grumbling about Iran and Russia sanctions, methinks.
The old guard certainly, we will see how much Spring EU elections tamper with that. Populists (like Gilets Jaunes and 5*M, Podemos, Varoufakis and Labour's Momentum) and neo-fascists like ADF, Front Nationale, Salvini's Lega and the Visigrad group could usher in a more bi-polar phase quite similar to what is happening in the US, where a Bannon-esque hard right with a rapidly crystallising sense of national -and international- identity and the Left struggles to find any shreds of identity other than dissatisfaction with centrist, neoliberal policies of austerity and wealth jnequality.
For Conte to be accepted as coalition Italian prime minister he had to make an avowal of acceptance of America's right to (continue to) co-administer Europe and use its bases as military front line for African imperial adventuring, stepping stones to the ME, and as convenient locations from which to needle Putin.
With the Caribbean basin shaping up to be the new ME,  with Venezuela a new Saudi Arabia, perhaps the new friction points with China and Russia there will necessitate backing off from the ME somewhat and thus lowering pressure on Europe to carry so much water, leaving Israel and Saudi to run things.
Hubris being what it is, America may well try and maintain two hot fronts at once, but so far Putin -and Lavrov- have put the kybosh on annihilating Iran for the moment anyway. Leaving Ukraine festering and Erdogan chewing on his bit to finish off the Kurds as enough creative chaos for now.
Should be an interesting year.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jan 25th, 2019 at 11:24:56 AM EST
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Excellent analysis and quite concise ... worthy to get attention as a stand alone diary. 😊

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Fri Jan 25th, 2019 at 12:24:30 PM EST
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