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Nobody over here is listening. those who want brexit coudn't give a shit what you think, those of us who dread brexit don't need to be told what a disaster it will be.

Especially as we're in the middle of a general election where the media have all decided that TWBJ must be carried to victory by any lie necessary. You expect it from the Tory papers, but the BBC has disgraced itself.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 23rd, 2019 at 07:10:22 PM EST
Yea, I know. But I thought it might be a useful exercise to try and put my thoughts into less than 300 words and see what came out. I suppose I am hoping there is still a diminishing middle ground of persuadables who don't quite know how they will vote or if they will bother. There is more at stake here than Corbyn or Boris, even if the media try to reduce it to that.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Nov 23rd, 2019 at 07:25:52 PM EST
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we're past that now. There are no undecided to play for. Or at least none who are amenable to reason. Brexit is first and foremost an emotional condition. Reasons come after the decision, not before.

There are the die hards on both sides, who were absolutely of that persuaion beforehand and will never change their minds. There are also a small number of people who have felt bad about one or other aspect of the decision a it has impacted them or their close circle and will change their vote. But having changed, they won't change now.

My guesss would be that a new referendum would be 55 - 45 remain now. After all, there has been a 6 - 7% turnover in the electorate in the last 3 year and the newbies are more remain

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 23rd, 2019 at 09:02:41 PM EST
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55-45 has been my best guess for a while as well, and is supported by recent opinion polling - which begs the question as to why the Lib Dems weren't pushing for a second referendum rather than a general election. It's much easier for Boris to get the 35%+ he needs to win a general election, than the 50%+ he needs to win a referendum.

But even now, it begs the question as to why Remain voters can't get their act together and vote for Remain candidates and some are even voting for Boris if the party polling figures are to be believed.

I'm still not convinced this is in the bag for Boris...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Nov 23rd, 2019 at 09:32:04 PM EST
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cos you're voting for a government and there is no real remain alliance. Swinson has admitted he'd rather support a tory party into brexit than a labour party into a referendum. And many of her party's supporters agree.

Labour meanwhile want to bring the country together in the aftermath of any decision to leave or remain and so are determinedly riding the fence. You might think that it is the duty of govermnet to make the hard decisions, but Cameron changed that dynamic on this question and it has to be played out to the conclusion.

As for the election...no I agree that this is not in the bag but the polls are not going to give any indication. the only poll that matters happens on Dec 12th, till then it's all fire and fury signifying nothing

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 23rd, 2019 at 09:49:09 PM EST
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Swinson has admitted [s]he'd rather support a tory party into brexit than a labour party into a referendum. And many of her party's supporters agree.

Supporting Labour into a referendum could be 6 months at most - after which Lib Dems would be free to support whoever they wished, having (probably) achieved their primary goal of Remaining.

Supporting the Tories into Brexit is forever. I hope they are not deluding themselves that that decision is reversible...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Nov 23rd, 2019 at 10:47:45 PM EST
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no, they just hate Labour that much.

This is why a Remain alliance is imposssible, Remain is just a stance, rather like their univesity tuition fees promise of 9 years ago, it is just a position to be traded away for power.

The LibDems have no credibility as a party of the centre, let alone as one of the left. They're a moderate right wing party and will always ally with the right.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Nov 24th, 2019 at 10:09:24 AM EST
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Helen: but the BBC has disgraced itself.

BBC admits 'mistake' in editing out laughter at Johnson in TV debate

The BBC has claimed it made a "mistake" in editing a clip where it cut out an audience laughing at Boris Johnson, insisting the decision was made due to time constraints rather than political bias.
In a sign of the changing power dynamics between the BBC and its viewers during this election, viral online videos claiming to highlight aspects of BBC bias are increasingly reaching larger audiences than the original programmes.

The original Weekend News bulletin attracted just 1.6m viewers across both BBC One and the BBC news channel on Saturday, fewer than the number who have watched Facebook and Twitter clips highlighting the BBC's decision to edit out the laughter.

by Bernard on Mon Nov 25th, 2019 at 09:03:20 PM EST
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How it happened ...

Video clip

h/t Nick Flaks

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Mon Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:22:53 PM EST
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A Owen Jones has pointed out in a podcast, the problem is that every BBC "mistake" benefits the tories and they keep on doing it.

but even worse it's the almost daily sins of ommission where stories that are picked up by almost every body else simply don't make it onto the BBC if they show the Tories in a bad light.

but they're willing to believe anybody who slags off the Labour party.

It's just laughable. In fact, it's so bad that, as that story shows, people are more likely to see the online debate about the BBC bias than they are the original story. They're losing more credibility each and every day. It's very sad. I used to be proud to have worked at the BBC, but even as I left the warning signs that all was not well were there.
 

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Nov 26th, 2019 at 05:52:31 PM EST
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Did you contemplate or exercise a lateral move to the Guardian?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Nov 26th, 2019 at 06:21:37 PM EST
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I was nowhere near editorial or journalism. IT support and I was getting fed up with finding myelf unable to trade on eperience. Yes, I was (and am) lazy, but you end up wondering why you bother when 18 yr olds are just as capable of doing the job.

So, when I left, I tried to do something else (and failed spectacularly).

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Nov 26th, 2019 at 07:01:26 PM EST
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I know that ahh disappoint well.
< wipes tears >

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Nov 26th, 2019 at 07:11:42 PM EST
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I intended to type disappointment, but did not realize that goal.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Nov 26th, 2019 at 07:14:15 PM EST
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