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Business leaders puzzled after Johnson contradicts own Brexit deal

Prime minister's rambling speech in Antrim vows no checks on goods to North from Britain.

British prime minister Boris Johnson has puzzled business people in Northern Ireland by saying there would be no Irish Sea border for goods from the North exported to Britain.

In a speech to members of the Northern Ireland Conservatives at an election rally in Templepatrick, Co Antrim, on Thursday evening, Mr Johnson also said "there will not be tariffs or checks on goods coming from Great Britain to Northern Ireland that are not going on to Ireland".

Questioned by Irwin Armstrong, owner of Ciga Healthcare in Ballymena, Mr Johnson said if anyone asked him to fill out a customs form, "tell them to ring up the prime minister and I will direct them to throw that form in the bin".

There would be, Mr Johnson insisted, "no forms, no checks, no barriers of any kind. You will have unfettered access."

Under the Brexit deal agreed between the EU and the UK, Northern Ireland will remain in the UK customs union post-Brexit, but will be subject to EU customs rules. This avoids a hard border on the island of Ireland by placing regulatory and customs checks at ports on the Irish Sea.



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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:34:58 PM EST
Confusion tactics. It's not as if Boris doesn't know. But he also knows most people can't see through the thick smoke. The more untrue, contradictory, and plain silly comments he makes, the thicker the smoke.

(See shitposting above).

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Sat Nov 9th, 2019 at 07:18:33 AM EST
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there was always an element of that by dodgy political operators and canvassers on the ground. What's changed is that you have Presidents and Prime Ministers doing it now, and not getting called on it. The EU Commission should beholding a contradictory press conference, but they probably won't. That would be "interfering" in the internal politics of a member state...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Nov 9th, 2019 at 09:29:44 AM EST
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I think what has changed (and changed the behaviour of presidents and PMs) is the massification effect of social media.

As for the EU, Juncker might call him on it, but isn't he having some bit of him repaired in a clinic? Anyway, it would only make more buzz to drown out Corbyn.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Sat Nov 9th, 2019 at 09:37:04 AM EST
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Twitter has enabled Trump to by-pass congress, press spokes people, and even TV, and speak directly to "his people" in a language they can viscerally understand...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Nov 9th, 2019 at 10:51:37 AM EST
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Politicians in the USA--elected or not-- have employed film, television, radio broadcast to "by-pass congress" and "speak directly" to their people in a language they can "viscerally understand" for about a hundred years.

Before that were monographs circulating among the "elite" in diverse regions of the world and vanity presses like Benjamin Franklin's, for example. You are familiar with the life and times of that historical personnage and his associate among the "founding" fathers, are you not? He arguably was the William Hearst of 18th cen. British America.

ITC is merely another media of telecommunication between people. It is not the message, yet it is the message and self-selecting recipients which dismays, perhaps. Which is odd considering that a large portion of Trump's twitter audience in any given hour reply to heckle and insult.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Nov 9th, 2019 at 02:23:11 PM EST
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tbh I think he meant that. He was genuinely saying that he'd be prepared to make an agreement with the EU and then just ignore the primary terms of that agreement.

His attitude would be, "what ya gonna do about it?". And he has a point. Treaties only work if there is goodwill to adhere to the terms of the treaty and Boris is signalling loud and clear that he is not a trustworthy partner.

which, franky, hardly comes as a shock, but is just another example of him believing that Britannia can waive the rules.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Nov 10th, 2019 at 09:14:07 PM EST
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Boris' is just trying to sort out the problem he has with the DUP - he may need their votes in the next Parliament. He hasn't thought much beyond the election and getting the right result.

If he dishonours the terms at some stage in the future, it is easy to see "what the EU is going to do about it". Slap punitive tariffs on UK export goods and services until such time as Boris (or his successor) complies with every small print line in the agreement.

It is one thing Trump tearing up agreements with (say) Iran, because Iran has limited options to bring the USA to heal. Not so with the EU and the UK - as Boris (or his successor) is bound to find out.

But Boris is bluffing and blustering as usual. He will comply in the end as he always does. But in the mean time he has got the rubes thinking he is on their side. Anything to win the election and stay in office. Meanwhile the real power of that office decays all the time.

Literally no one in the EU is taking him seriously. How many EU PM's have visited 10 Downing St. since he became PM? Any?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Nov 10th, 2019 at 10:05:37 PM EST
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The fundamental error is that the British establishment consider the EU a peer organisation, not a massively more powerful one.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 11th, 2019 at 11:51:07 AM EST
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And a few years ago, the UK may have had a case - the EU has limited competencies, was riven by disagreements, and was a by-word for procrastination and delay. The largely British led drive to expand eastwards to embrace 10 relatively poor members without reforming rules that required unanimity on many issues meant that little could get done.

The most amazing aspect of the Brexit debacle has been the unity of purpose and competence in execution of the EU side of the negotiations. Brexiteers could be forgiven for having expected a much more divided and weakened EU negotiating stance. Ironically, that unity may well break down when it comes to negotiating a future relationship between the UK and EU with the result that little or no agreement many be possible - a basic, bog standard FTA at best.

Brexit may well turn out to be the best thing that ever happened to the EU...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Nov 11th, 2019 at 12:23:59 PM EST
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