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The moment of impeachment? (none / 0)

Trump Isn't Impeached Until the House Tells the Senate
"So far, the House has voted to impeach (future tense) [sic] Trump. He isn't impeached (past tense) until the articles go to the Senate and the House members deliver the message."

< wipes tears >

--
infinitive form of a verb not conjugated

by Cat on Sat Dec 21st, 2019 at 12:42:50 AM EST
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Grammar aside, lawyers and politicians consider that the House voting impeachment does impeach the president. The Senate convicts or exonerates. Pelosi doesn't want a kangaroo court exoneration for Trump. His idiot followers will not know or care about the difference.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Dec 21st, 2019 at 07:01:11 AM EST
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Lawyers of any political persuation never set aside grammar. ubn warned before.

"Journalists" do, frequently, despite AP Stylebook guidance. < wipes tears > ditto.

by Cat on Sat Dec 21st, 2019 at 07:19:31 AM EST
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APsplainin | Plans for impeachment trial get FOGGY before holiday break

Schumer's leverage is limited, though his party can force votes on witnesses once a trial begins. He appears to be counting on public opinion, and political pressure on VULNERABLE Republican incumbents like Susan Collins of Maine, to give Democrats the 51 votes they need.
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Trump, meanwhile, has been hoping the trial will serve as an opportunity for vindication. He continues to talk about PARADING his own witnesses to the chamber, including former Vice President and 2020 Democratic candidate Joe Biden and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., who led the fact-finding phase of the impeachment investigation.

by Cat on Sat Dec 21st, 2019 at 04:09:55 PM EST
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And that is his right. It's supposed to atrial, not a lynching.

by StillInTheWilderness on Sun Dec 22nd, 2019 at 05:02:47 PM EST
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Of course it's not a lynching. You only lynch blacks or Sicilians.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Dec 22nd, 2019 at 05:07:54 PM EST
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Impeachment is not really one of Feldman's research areas. Those who ARE published in that area, such as Larry Tribe, Jonathan Turley, and Frank Bowman, think he's wrong.

by rifek on Tue Dec 31st, 2019 at 04:50:50 PM EST
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by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Dec 21st, 2019 at 07:01:22 AM EST
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Pelosi delays referring the house bill (impeachment "resolution") to the senate; the pretext is poor form of hearing proposed by senate majority rules. Despite some combined 1,000 pp testimony, exhibits, and argument ("evidence") compiled by two house committees, the house speaker requires four (4) additional witnesses and an indeterminate number of "house managers" to certify impartiality ("fairness") of 100 jurors plus the chief justice of the Supreme Ct of the United States.
The senate majority ("GOP") anticipates receipt of the house impeachment resolution; the pretext is "speedy trial" of the indictment assembled by the house majority and ratified by vote.

Now you tell me: what articles of the US Constitution prescribe The Process of impeachment and conviction? And I have told you, it ain't Bloomberg journalism.

by Cat on Sat Dec 21st, 2019 at 07:37:04 AM EST
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errata (none / 1)

The preferred locution, last time around, was "triers of law and fact."

FWIW When a Chief Justice Reminded Senators in an Impeachment Trial That They Were not Jurors

by Cat on Sun Dec 22nd, 2019 at 01:39:57 AM EST
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Sen. John Kennedy: Senators Are Both Judge And Jury In Impeachment Trial; "There Are No Rules"
"'It's not a criminal trial,' Kennedy said. 'The Senate is not really a jury. It's both jury and judge. The chief justice is not the judge. He's the presiding officer. There are no standards of proof. There are no rules of evidence.'" < wipes tears >

by Cat on Mon Dec 30th, 2019 at 06:27:11 PM EST
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Looks like press corpse in most ignorant, litigious nation on planet will run with ahh "proxy" title de jure:

As impeachment trial looms, senator-jurors look to get creative on the 2020 campaign trail

But this time around, there's an additional complicating factor: Four of Trump's jurors are also running for president.
Sens. Michael "WHODAT?" Bennet, Amy Klobuchar, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren will have to take PRECIOUS time away from the 2020 campaign trail to participate in a Senate impeachment trial that by all accounts could last weeks.

... while sublimating [FREUD ALERT] the legitimacy of the SCOTUS chief justice's function during senators' proceedings forthwith.

"senator-candidates"
I suppose, readers are to understand that typical juries simultaneously legislate, litigate facts, and judge truth at trials--whether or not sequestered by themselves.

by Cat on Sun Jan 19th, 2020 at 01:44:05 PM EST
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When asked whether she's worried it will hurt her campaign, Warren responded, "This is not about politics."

by Cat on Sun Jan 19th, 2020 at 01:48:13 PM EST
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"Impeachment is something I take very seriously. I take no joy in this. But this is about a constitutional oath that every single member of the Senate took to -- uphold the Constitution of the United States."

hmm, if not politic, then what, Warrenzi/War Tzu/War ren shi?

To keep her message out on the campaign trail when she can't be, Klobuchar in early December said that she will deploy surrogates to help her campaign while she is in D.C. for her "constitutional duty."

hmm, disciples, proxies, or gestational carriers?

by Cat on Sun Jan 19th, 2020 at 02:00:57 PM EST
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Shannon Beckham, national press secretary for Bennet, said the Colorado senator's "duties, and his responsibility to uphold the Constitution and rule of law, come before any campaign."

ahh, politics and US Constitution not mutually exclusive code of conduct. m'k.

Sanders: impeachment 'is what the House has to do, because you have to have standards for the president of the United States. If a president can obstruct justice, if a president, in my view, can violate the emoluments clause and make himself rich because he is president, add additional revenue for his family, if a president can use military ["]aid["] to gain dirt on his opponent, uh, if you allow that to go on, the what kind of standard are you setting for future presidents?" [KESQ-TV, running time 00:00:47]

Same as the standard set by past presidents?

by Cat on Sun Jan 19th, 2020 at 02:13:50 PM EST
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6 reporters explain the latest in impeachment
"Democrats delivered the articles. Trump named his lawyers. Next up is the Senate trial. We break it down" -- an unfortunate turn of phrase.
Politico employees:

@ Kyle Cheney, Congress reporter
Facebook Nahal Toosi, foreign affairs correspondent
@ Anita Kumar, White House reporter
@ Darren Samuelsohn, White House reporter
Instagram Natasha Bertrand, national security correspondent
@ Andrew Desiderio, Congress reporter

by Cat on Sun Jan 19th, 2020 at 02:32:01 PM EST
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Prof. Feldman, who testified on behalf of House Democrats: "If the House never sends the articles, then Trump could say with strong justification that he was never actually impeached." https://t.co/wXj7kipIeJ
— Andy Grewal (@AndyGrewal) December 19, 2019

Incidentally, you are no doubt aware that the twitterverse of Lindsey Graham Cracker acolytes would be delighted for the DNC's extra-speshul witnesses to appear for cross-examination by either Trump or WH counsel in the senate?

by Cat on Sat Dec 21st, 2019 at 07:44:18 AM EST
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"Under the rules, the House can apparently just sit on the articles--not refer them to the Senate, not appoint managers. And that's exactly what House Dems should do," argues Dean Obeidallah. https://t.co/o5h9UvIXjC
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) December 18, 2019

"Dean Obeidallah, a former lawyer turned political comedian and writer, is the host of The Dean Obeidallah show on SiriusXM radio. He co-directed the comedy documentary The Muslims Are Coming! His blog is The Dean's Report."

by Cat on Sat Dec 21st, 2019 at 07:54:06 AM EST
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Dianne Feinstein says it's time for Speaker Nancy Pelosi to send the impeachment articles to the Senate.

"If we're going to do it, she should send them over," the California Democrat said. "I don't see what good delay does."
— Laura Litvan (@LauraLitvan) January 8, 2020

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Jan 9th, 2020 at 12:04:06 AM EST
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Pelosi says she will 'soon' transmit impeachment to Senate

″I'm not holding them indefinitely," Pelosi told reporters at the Capitol. "I'll send them over when I'm ready. That will probably be soon."
Pelosi said she's waiting for what she wanted from the start -- "to see the arena" and "terms of the engagement" that McConnell will use -- before sending her House managers to present the articles of impeachment in the Senate.
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As Pelosi headed toward a morning meeting Thursday, Pelosi told reporters, "I know exactly when" she plans to send the impeachment articles over, but, "I won't be telling you right now.″
Asked if she had any concerns about losing support from Democrats for her strategy, she said: "No."
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Returning to Washington from the campaign trail, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., told reporters she was confident in Pelosi's plan.
"I have no doubt that she will get this right," Warren said. "Some things are more important than politics, and the impeachment of a president is certainly one of those. No one is above the law, not even the president."

Democrats' contempt for Trump fuels an online cash SURGE

by Cat on Thu Jan 9th, 2020 at 07:45:04 PM EST
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