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Opposition parties cannot propose anything, they cannot make law. they cannot force a new referendum, they cannot even influence the wording os said referendum.
this is why I have never understood all the noise in the media about Corbyn and what he thinks about brexit. His opinions are irrelevant, his desire, for or against a referendum, is irrelevant.
So the independent group can't achieve anything, except make lots of noise in the media (which appear to be the only group that takes them seriously). Their only ambition seems to be to ensure that the Labour party is weakened
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Which is also the point of the former-Labour groupie exodus.
The missing fact is that all of the so-called rebels are prominent in a group called the Friends of Israel, all have been vociferous Corbyn critics, and all have been involved in the various unsuccessful attempts to remove Corbyn.
This is just more of the same - it's a coup by different means, intended to reinforce the meme that "Labour are in chaos and unelectable".
And it's not happening because of Brexit. It's happening because if Labour are elected a lot of very rich people, and especially a lot of arms dealers with close links to Israel and Saudi Arabia, are going to be significantly inconvenienced. As will the government of Israel itself. The so-called anti-Semitism is a ridiculously transparent pretext.
I'm honestly unconvinced that Brexit is a major motivation here - at least not in a way that anyone hoping for anti-Brexit actions can rely on.
Nominally most of the rebels are pro-people's-vote. But they've given the PV option zero press time since the split, so I think we can assume it's just not that important to them.
I also notice that Tom Watson, an avowed enemy of everything Corbyn stands for, is running around TV studios like a dog with two tails to denounce Labour "anti-semitism".
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Rearranging deck chairs.
The real battle in the UK at the moment is the one trying to keep Corbyn out of power. Brexit is largely a sideshow, although it's been a very useful one.
He has been accused of equivocation on Brexit, but as you mention above, Brexit is less of a concern for him than reform of the present paradigm, seen dying on the vine in front of our eyes.
Within or without Europe, the UK faces challenges not seen since the last war, (there was more unity then.)
For Corbyn to support May's fiasco may bring an instant of relief - mostly from the business community, but it would enable May's will to keep her party together to succeed.
The breakout group are betraying their voters who put them there. The decent thing would be to resign and propose themselves as independents.
Failing that at least they have shown their true colours.
There was a while where his fence-sitting was a bit irritating, but when I saw the naked venom May displayed, the true stakes of this (class) conflict came into sharp relief, and I understood why he was keeping his powder dry and waiting until he could see the whites of their eyes before declaring where he stood. He knows full well the problems in the UK go far beyond those conjured by Brexit, and will remain unaddressed (or worse, will degrade further) under Tory misrule.
The Tories are decimating their own hold on power.
Any sharp move by Corbyn will only unite them further. He knows once he declares he will lose a big chunk of his potential GE vote, so he has to hope the the Tories' self-immolation can complete itself before his back is pressed right up to the wall.
Since May is in (putative) power and the main protagonist, he has to mirror from the opposition side her recalcitrance, lack of transparency and ambition to guide the fate of the country, or what kind of opposition would he represent? (NLP 101).
Most of all he has to mirror her relentless playing for time to force change. (Game theory).
Change has to happen, the country is having a nervous breakdown, May (and the ERG and DUP) own this shitshow and deserve the full repercussions to fall squarely on their own shoulders.
He has to take the risk of outwaiting her, watch her burning the bridges and not flinch when he sees what her ham-handed diplomacy is wreaking on the country, because he has to stay real.
His only 'sin' is discretion, with a pinch of realpolitik, not schadenfreude.
The UK has more than Brexit at stake, hard as it is to see under all the faeces flying out of the fans.
He has a hard row to hoe, and cannot afford to be other than reticent until the chips stop falling (where they May!)
The Tories risk being as wiped out as has happened to Berlusconi's party Forza Italia.
These breakawayers are political nonentities, and shouldn't worry him too much.
Brexit is the battle, Corbyn knows this is the best opportunity since Blair for Labour to gain power and change the horrendous inequality that the Tories stand for. That's a class war.
He can't be seen to descend too much into the fray, to enable or disable her own majestically moronic trajectory.
After his visit to Brussels, suddenly the Euro negotiators are talking about a 2 year extension.
After dealing with May's serial dissembling and mendacious red lines, dealing with Corbyn must be a pleasure though there is no painless form of Brexit possible and further delay will cost possibly many more business contracts lost than even the hardest of no-deal Brexits.
Not an enviable fate for Labour to mop up after.
(If it doesn't split itself along the leave-remain axis.)
Gunfight at the OK Corrall has nothing on this.
'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
Ultimately, the situation is outside his control, he can but hope that an opportunity arises before a no deal Brexit becomes a reality.
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It puts the Tories on the spot. If they vote against it, Brexit becomes their baby. If they vote for it, Brexit is killed democratically, and Labour take the credit.
IMO the press narrative around Corbyn is completely wrong. Labour played some blinders in the run up to the last GE, and it was only an inexplicable outbreak of terrorism - which inexplicably evaporated immediately after the GE - which allowed the Tories to scrape their not-quite-majority.
This move is likely to be more of the same. It undermines the TIGs and takes the wind out of their pro-PV posturing, while putting even more political pressure on the Tories. It also keeps the Labour members who forced a pro-PV motion through conference happy and onside.
It's irrelevant how much of this is down to Corbyn personally, and how much is the work of the team around him. Miliband certainly never had similar heft.
As for May - an infinite number of sweary insults would be nowhere near enough to describe the worst PM, and perhaps even one of the worst people, in recent British history.
Boy, have you got Macron's number.
However, everybody knows that the media got a bloody nose during the last election when they predicted a drubbing for Labour and instead saw their vote increase markedly.
Fact is, polling companies are not responding well to changes in the demographic and are probably mssing the big story. There probably won't be another general election till 2022, which gives TIG and their backers plenty of opportunity to make mischief. But it also gives the fallout from Brexit plenty of time to work its way through the country.
the next election may not be quite the reckoning the media hope for
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