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The only deal the UK is going to get is the one Parliament rejected 432 to 202.  

It doesn't fucking matter what the Cabinet does or doesn't do.  

The only deal the UK is going to get is the one Parliament rejected 432 to 202.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Thu Feb 21st, 2019 at 11:02:42 PM EST
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I really don't understand why this is so hard to grasp.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Thu Feb 21st, 2019 at 11:03:07 PM EST
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"belief" is antibiotic-resistant.

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by Cat on Thu Feb 21st, 2019 at 11:39:06 PM EST
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Substantively yes, but the EU is prepared to offer "assurances" around the meaning of the text of that deal to provide some face saving cover to MPs who previously voted against it. Whether that is sufficient to sway enough of them is dubious to say the least...

The very fact that it is now only a few paragraphs dealing with the Irish backstop - out of a complex 600 page agreement - that are now in contention is progress in itself.

Most MPs have probably not read the text in full in any case. Some needed a reason to oppose it and so latched onto the backstop to vent their outrage. Now some are looking for a way to get off that hook.

None thought the EU would actually stand by Ireland on this issue - hence their outrage. It wasn't supposed to be like this. Most cling to the belief that the EU always compromises at the last minute and still expect it to fold sooner or later.

But it has been the ERG/DUP which have been the driving force behind all of this, and it is this the new Independent Group is trying to change.

It looks like a delay is the only plan a majority of the house of Commons can get behind, but will the EU27 agree to this in the absence of a plan? For a couple of months perhaps in the hope it might precipitate a general election or allow the fizz of the Brexit campaign leave the body politic in the UK.

This one could yet run and run. My dark suspicion has always been that in the end someone on the EU Council will lose patience and withhold consent for a further extension of A.50 effectively kicking the UK out.

CUE outrage in the UK: Threats to withdraw the A.50 notification before B-day. Threats to pursue guerrilla war against the EU from within. Messier and messier. Eventually some deal will probably be done. We are just in the reducing expectations phase...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Feb 22nd, 2019 at 12:45:32 AM EST
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"We are just in the reducing expectations phase..." That has a long way to go in a short time.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Feb 22nd, 2019 at 02:22:37 AM EST
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The very fact that it is now only a few paragraphs dealing with the Irish backstop - out of a complex 600 page agreement - that are now in contention is progress in itself.

This is not the case: those paragraphs are just a convenient excuse for the nutters to justify their opposition to the deal as a whole, largely because their opposition to the whole idea and wish for a no deal, no constraints exit sounds nuts to anyone faintly normal.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 22nd, 2019 at 10:35:24 AM EST
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Yep, and for that reason the no dealers will continue to find fault with whatever solution is dreamed up in relation to the backstop impasse. But discussion of all other aspects of the deal has effectively ended and so those who do want a deal will now have to swallow the 600 pages lock, stock, and barrel bar whatever emollient phrases are dreamed up around the backstop.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Feb 22nd, 2019 at 11:18:58 AM EST
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