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Labour has a Cunning Plan after all...

Under the new plan, the text of the amendment would make clear MPs were "withholding support" from the legislation until the people were given a decision in a second referendum. If it were to pass, Labour would then abstain on May's deal.

Clever. Let the people decide. Get themselves off the hook.

  1. Any chance of getting a majority for the referendum? Tories would have to whip in favour...
  2. Referendum : straight choice between May's Brexit and no brexit... Prédictions on a result?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Mar 1st, 2019 at 02:54:56 PM EST
Prrdictions on a result?

May's deal.
(See also: straight choice between May's Brexit and no deal)

by det on Fri Mar 1st, 2019 at 04:11:34 PM EST
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Which is the greater Humiliation: giving the people a final say on May's deal, or voting for it after having voted against it by record margins?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Mar 1st, 2019 at 04:20:09 PM EST
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which has been the intention of her blackmail all along.

Labour's plan is daft cos it simply results in kicking the can down the road when the result is not in doubt. After all, even if there is a referendum, May gets to pick the timetable, to decide on the question and what the available options are. Of course it's entirely possible that she might include sensible options in it, but my chances of winning the lottery are considerably more likely.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Mar 1st, 2019 at 04:21:36 PM EST
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I'll play.

2. I think Remain would win, mainly because May's deal is considered as such a failure. This time Brexit would be the option that has to defend the specifics, while Remain could court votes from everyone who has a grudge against this specific deal.

Actually, I think Remain would win in a there way instant runoff referendum too. May's deal would get least votes and split between no deal Brexit and Remain, and Remain would win.

Either way, there would be a large pool of Brexit-was-betrayed voters up for grabs in the next election. Probably smaller in the three way runoff referendum, but still sizeable. To be picked up by UKIP or more extreme nationalists, if May is viewed as the main betrayer.

by fjallstrom on Fri Mar 1st, 2019 at 04:21:41 PM EST
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Even if a second referendum was won by Remain by 2:1, there will be a huge cohort of people who believe that Brexit was betrayed and that the 40% or so who didn't vote all share their anti-Brexit beliefs.  Democracy is only democracy if it supports your beliefs...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Mar 1st, 2019 at 06:37:54 PM EST
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The huge cohort will consist of some very confused pensioners and a small core of die-hard racists.

They'll always be there, and there's no particular reason to worry about them. They're certainly not going to take any kind of action.

The one absolutely consistent thing about Brexit has been the total lack of practical support for pro-Brexit protests and events. A few thousand people turn up to the events with the biggest publicity, but generally either pro-Brexiters simply aren't interested in practical action, or there are far fewer of them than we've been led to believe.

Farage has announced a pro-Brexit march from the north of the UK to London. Not only is the scheduling unappealing - it's twenty miles a day, for a couple of weeks - but Leave are also trying to sell £50 participation packs.

I suspect numbers will not be large.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Mar 1st, 2019 at 09:33:16 PM EST
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May is going to string this out until the choices collapse to:

  1. The negotiated Deal -- which isn't at all bad

  2. No Deal

I'm still laying my wager on No Deal.  May doesn't have the votes.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sat Mar 2nd, 2019 at 01:36:04 AM EST
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