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Is it that feeling of despair which led you to vote for Leave three years ago?
by Bernard on Mon Mar 25th, 2019 at 09:10:30 PM EST
< wipes tears >

Reminds me of a story a few years back --well before the wee weed revolution and Trump-- (I wish I could find it again) about a town in Colorado that deliberately voted in the nutty libertarian Republican who'd been dogging the Dem mayor for years. Dude was LOADED. That was his credential. They all were so cocky. &#!@$ got so bad in town by the time they could vote 'im out, everyone had PTSD. The lesson the town learned made their hard knocks newsworthy.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:29:42 PM EST
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Colorado Springs?

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Tue Mar 26th, 2019 at 12:57:34 AM EST
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Thanks for that. 2011 - 2015. No Dem incumbent: I sit corrected. Told y'all I wasn't fluent in psycho.
Bach had made a campaign promise to serve only one term. But the promise wasn't necessary--by 2015, he, along with everyone else, knew the then-71-year-old's chances for reelection were close to zero.
alrighty then. 4 years in the wilderness.

The case for NO extension is made. Some people truly have to learn the hard way.


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Mar 26th, 2019 at 03:47:29 PM EST
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Yep. Although a big part of what happened subsequently was that the population overflow from Denver, 100 km to the north, started pushing housing prices in Colorado Springs through the ceiling. It's still the political  equivalent of Orange County, CA.
by asdf on Tue Mar 26th, 2019 at 01:26:42 AM EST
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Half of Colorado Springs DOES have PTSD, acquired the hard way - in the military - well not half, but a lot.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Mar 31st, 2019 at 04:18:32 AM EST
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Leave promised things would get better if the UK left. It didn't say how, in detail, but it didn't need to.

Enough people believed the politicians and the targeted Facebook ads selling this nonsense to push the result over the edge.

For lingering Leavers - decreasing in number, but not nearly fast enough - the fantasy is still there.

Leave and recover your power, your agency, your self-respect - as an individual, a country, a race.

So yes - that was the reason.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Mar 26th, 2019 at 12:29:21 AM EST
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Nobody actually knows if things will get better or worse.
by asdf on Tue Mar 26th, 2019 at 01:27:43 AM EST
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If things get better: thanks to Brexit and taking back control.
If things get worse (much more likely): the evil unelected Eurocrats in Brussels are plotting to punish Britain for having had the temerity to leave the racket that is the EU, evil empire, German 4th reich, French new Napoleonic empire, Soviet Union, you name it...
by Bernard on Tue Mar 26th, 2019 at 09:01:43 AM EST
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No official Treasury estimate shows the UK being better off with Brexit. And there's no rational reason why things should improve after Brexit. And even Jacob Rees-Mogg says that any benefits may take at least fifty years to appear.

So it doesn't seem you're correct.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Mar 26th, 2019 at 11:33:16 AM EST
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Forty years (time for the Brexiters to die off) according to Johnson
Boris Johnson has urged Theresa May to "channel Moses" and tell the EU to "let my people go".
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Mar 26th, 2019 at 11:48:58 AM EST
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Looking forward to the day Boris parts the waters and leads the slaves back from Dover...

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Tue Mar 26th, 2019 at 11:51:27 AM EST
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The Channel Moses.

But perhaps I'm being too literal.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Mar 26th, 2019 at 11:51:58 AM EST
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Oh I totally agree that the projections say what they say.

The thing is, though, that over on this side of the pond we are living in a national state of complete and utter unpredictability. Predictions and projections and strategic analyses are not worth anything at the moment.

by asdf on Tue Mar 26th, 2019 at 03:19:23 PM EST
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"Leave and recover your power, your agency, your self-respect - as an individual, a country, a race."

Of course that was and is irrational. The problem is and has been domestic - all of the crazed voters who put some bizarre ideology or ideation over their clear self interest and the sociopathic Conservatives that they duly elected. It is the Conservatives that the UK needs to leave, not the E.U. This 'government' and their supporters are in a terminal snit. Sad for the rest.

Hope the USA avoids similar derangement. 2020 will be the tell.


"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Mar 31st, 2019 at 04:26:04 AM EST
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Racism is never rational.  Mix in political and economic despair, and you have a situation about as stable as condemned nitroglycerin.
by rifek on Fri Apr 12th, 2019 at 02:13:56 PM EST
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