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Maybe we should follow Cat's style and regularly point out that Vox is funded by the Iranian MEK terrorists.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Apr 29th, 2019 at 07:24:04 PM EST
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The source of that article is voltaire.net, which has been regularly denounced as rightwing, conspirationist, fake-newsist here over the years. Doesn't mean there's no truth in the article, but caveat lector.

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by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Apr 30th, 2019 at 06:36:49 AM EST
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You forgot "stupid" for a right-wing magazine claiming a far-right party is Islamist. Anyway, here's basically the same article in Foreign Policy.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Apr 30th, 2019 at 06:50:05 AM EST
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The MEK are fighting the Islamic Republic of Iran, they are hardly "Islamist". From the FP article you mentioned:

The MEK is billed by U.S. politicians like Rudy Giuliani and current National Security Advisor John Bolton as the legitimate opposition to the current Iranian government. But the MEK also happens to be a former Islamist-Marxist organization that was only taken off the U.S. list of terrorist organizations in 2012--raising the question of why supporters of such a group would want to back an Islamophobic, hard-right Spanish party like Vox.
by Bernard on Tue Apr 30th, 2019 at 04:05:53 PM EST
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Saudi Arabia is also fighting (or at least trying to get other countries to fight) Iran. That doesn't mean they are not Islamist. Doesn't Islamist-Marxist mean that they are some type of Islamist?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Apr 30th, 2019 at 04:25:00 PM EST
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I think it means they have a split personality disorder.
by rifek on Tue Apr 30th, 2019 at 08:56:46 PM EST
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Sunni and Shia Moslems have been known to fight each other...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Apr 30th, 2019 at 09:43:14 PM EST
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...and Sunni have been know to fight Sunni, and Shia to fight Shia. It's almost as these people had other agendas than "mere" religion.

AFAIK, MEK was originally "Marxist" in a sense that they abhorred all things atheist (like Marx), but believed that Islamist society would be equal, fair and kinda socialist (like Marx's). Don't know what they profess to believe nowadays.

Ahmadinejad (remember that dude?) was an Islamist liberal populist. Compared to his foreign policy, the Mullahs were moderate. And yet he got bad rap in Iran for kissing ladies hands...

What I mean is that the word "Islamist" does a lot of work in these days, and yet it's meaning is very poorly defined. Theoretically, if a person believes Islam should have any role in everyday life, that person is an Islamist. How much of a role, well, that's all politics and sects.

So I think it would be a mistake to use a wide brush like that to paint over all big and minute political details and diversity of the Islamic world.

Which, I have to add, I don't claim to understand at all. I'd like to, but good sources are really hard to come by. I'm currently reading a book about Bayt al-Ḥikmah and it's absolutely fascinating (and not really current). I'd also like learn basic farsi, but I don't have the time nor can I find good courses...

by pelgus on Tue Apr 30th, 2019 at 10:32:16 PM EST
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At a certain level of religious homogeneity and officially-sponsored fervour, it's impossible not to add a religious qualifier to your political handle. My understanding of the MEK is that they varied from secularists to those fully in favour of the vigorous re-islamisation of Iranian society; but they shared their Marxism.

What they have become after decades of repression, torture and executions is another story; but I think it fairer to describe them as Muslim rather than Islamist.

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by eurogreen on Thu May 2nd, 2019 at 01:45:23 PM EST
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Muslim rather than Islamist
My point exactly.
by Bernard on Fri May 3rd, 2019 at 08:12:58 AM EST
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Come, now. How much credit shall I give to Geert "The Hairshirt Crusader" Wilders for popularizing this word, "islamist"?

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by Cat on Fri May 3rd, 2019 at 12:39:04 PM EST
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Which raises an intriguing question : if you find it advantageous to launder your money through the Mujaheddin-e-Khalq, your real source must be pretty unsavoury...

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu May 2nd, 2019 at 01:36:30 PM EST
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I always thought the MEK is just a CIA slush money fund at this point. They probably got some of the Shah loot around the time of the revolution and have been spreading it around ever since.
by generic on Thu May 2nd, 2019 at 02:04:57 PM EST
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Oh fun, FP vs. Bolton, "NeoLib vs. NeoCon in a no-holds-barred cage match SUNDAY IN THE TACOMADOME!"
by rifek on Thu May 2nd, 2019 at 03:05:36 PM EST
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