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I don't know about the polticians, but I know for certain that I needed a break from it.

But the only break is to look away because to face it is to look into the face of madness. It simply makes no sense. Trying to rationalise it is trying to grab a handful of water; the harder you try, the more water slips through your fingers.

the only thing that I cling to is that exahustion seems to have gripped them all; they've kicked the can down the road for 6 months, at which point they'll kick it 6 months more and hopefully at some point we'll all just forget about A50 and go back to where we were.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Apr 30th, 2019 at 08:20:22 PM EST
I think it is most unlikely the EU (read Macron) will agree to a further extension unless there is a new government with a new approach in place by the end of next October.

Jeremy Hunt says he favours Brexit now because the economic damage of no deal is exceeded by the political damage of no Brexit (read destruction of Tory party).

But that logic applies to the EU as well. There comes a point where the political costs of the ongoing uncertainty may come to exceed the economic costs of no deal - for all members except Ireland.

The EU is already trying to move on. Brexit is going to slip down the list of political priorities entirely by the summer. Very few in the EU (outside Ireland) will care much either way what the UK decides to do after the summer.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Apr 30th, 2019 at 08:32:33 PM EST
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Frank:
I think it is most unlikely the EU (read Macron) will agree to a further extension unless there is a new government with a new approach in place by the end of next October.

More than Macron apparently:

Germany: No Brexit extension beyond October - EUobserver

The EU cannot extend the Brexit process a third time, German foreign minister Heiko Maas said in an interview with the Financial Times newspaper. "They will have to decide what they want by October," Maas said about the UK. "You cannot drag out Brexit for a decade." He said another UK request for an extension "could send the signal that they plan to stay in the EU after all".
by Bernard on Wed May 1st, 2019 at 05:46:31 PM EST
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Not a single partner in EU or UK wants the Brits to participate in the EU elections of May 23. The election would be a farce and cause immeasureable damage to the EU project. I see a decision taken this month. :)

On the quiet, UK prepares for 'zombie' European elections

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Yet both the ruling Conservatives and the main opposition Labour Party are keeping quiet about any campaign plans, wary of how voters might respond.

Zombie election

May has previously said it would be "unacceptable" to ask Britons to take part in the elections three years after they voted to leave the European Union. Her spokesman emphasised that once called, Britain could still cancel the polls up until 22 May if it has secured a deal to leave the EU by then.

This would cause anger in Brussels, not least because 27 of Britain's 73 MEPs have already been reallocated to other countries. And it leaves Conservative candidates in the unenviable position of asking voters to back them in an election they themselves do not want, and still may not happen.

    In June last year, the European Council adopted a new reform aimed at adapting the EU parliament to life after Brexit, abolishing 46 of the UK's 73 European parliamentary seats - the remaining seats would be redistributed among the EU states that feel underrepresented in Brussels. France and Spain would be the big winners under the new reform, with five extra MEPs each, while Italy and the Netherlands would get three and Ireland two. Nine other member states would get one each.

Brexit a 'Shitshow' Says German Foreign Minister Ahead of EU Elections



Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Wed May 1st, 2019 at 08:38:25 AM EST
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Not a single partner in EU or UK wants the Brits to participate in the EU elections of May 23. The election would be a farce and cause immeasureable damage to the EU project. I see a decision taken this month. :)

You are probably more in touch with public/political opinion in various EU countries outside Ireland than I am, but I fail to see why UK participation would be an existential concern for other countries.

Yes, there would be the complication of 14 countries not knowing exactly how many seats are on offer, and constituency boundaries even being effected in Ireland. A nuisance, at best.

But the EP elections are essentially 28 distinct elections in 28 member states with minimal interdependencies and impact on each other.

Analysts (like me), will look for pan European trends, but it seems unlikely that (say) Vox or AfD or Le Pen will do better or worse because the UK are also holding an election.

If anything, the pathetic sight of the UK still clinging on 3 years after the referendum will be a cautionary tale for voters considering voting for extreme Eurosceptic or nationalist parties elsewhere.

Brexit has highlighted the benefits and warned of the difficulties caused by taking the advantages of the EU for granted, while thinking you can put narrow self-interests first.

Vox may campaign on putting Spain first and making Spain Great Again, but voters may note that is also what the Catalan parties want - for Catalonia.

So overall I see no reason why European Leaders, coming mostly from mainstream centre right and centre left parties, will be too concerned about UK participation.

They may make noises about how pathetic it has all been, but perhaps are pleased that it has also been an opportunity for European leaders and institutions to show cohesion and unity of purpose, not to mention a minimal level of competence by way of comparison.

What else has there been for Europhiles to brag about recently?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed May 1st, 2019 at 11:06:12 AM EST
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If EU Council lets any of their "alternative" plans not to ratify the WA slide...

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed May 1st, 2019 at 01:07:57 PM EST
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What plans not to ratify WA? Has there been any published by EU side? Has any EU member state resiled from their unanimous position that the WA is the only deal on the table? Has any state taken the WA off the table?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed May 1st, 2019 at 01:30:55 PM EST
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Frank.
The antagonists in this "shit show" is not the EU.
It is and has always been UK Tory gov
and plans "not to ratify the WA".

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed May 1st, 2019 at 03:39:40 PM EST
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Brexit barely even raises a smile any more in France. Just an eye roll.
Even rabid Frexiters have nothing to say about it. Zero political impact with respect to the élections. Frustratingly.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu May 2nd, 2019 at 10:58:40 AM EST
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