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Now there's an insidious turn to the EU-Punisher plot.
< wipes tears >
Look here. From the beginning UK and EU were not playing the same game. EU is the board and properties. EU is the box that holds all rules, players, referees, and monies that move of the little pieces around the board; hence the title of the box, European Union.

Quitting any game is to remove oneself from play. To quit is to divest oneself of further participation in the scheme or preoccupation with its pieces, unless one player is Tory gov. In that case, "quitting" means snatching an empty box from the other players?

The object of this island diversion is obscure, though I think, the scheme has always been EU "reform" to Tory gov's real and imaginary losses to the union (the other one).

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Apr 6th, 2019 at 03:52:48 PM EST
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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Apr 6th, 2019 at 09:18:42 PM EST
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Somebody will be pointing back to this in a couple of years when Trump wins again against a fractured bunch of democrats.
by asdf on Sat Apr 6th, 2019 at 09:26:32 PM EST
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The oligarchy in the US won't care. As with Hillary/Trump, the field will be whittled down to a choice of  tribally-labelled monsters, with any chance of real reform excluded - which is exactly as it should be, as far as the oligarchy is concerned.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Apr 8th, 2019 at 06:07:08 AM EST
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We have a two party system. The goal is to get 51%. Fracturing a party doesn't accomplish anything.
by asdf on Mon Apr 8th, 2019 at 05:41:22 PM EST
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Fracturing a party doesn't accomplish anything
since the two factions combined to prevent formation of and competition from any additional "parties."

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Apr 8th, 2019 at 06:08:07 PM EST
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Actually it is largely because to get elected president, you need an absolute majority in the electoral college.
by asdf on Mon Apr 8th, 2019 at 06:59:55 PM EST
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I've explained here before, with gov links, how total electors are allocated to the states (by census) and how each party posts its caucus' set for purposes of FPTP, all or none, electors awarded.

If there were 9 or 50 party nominees for POTUS, there would be 9 or 50 sets of party electors.

Instead USA fosters a uniparty of two factions. (D) and (R) retard "third" or more party formation through control of states' boards of elections and secretaries of state. iirc, most of these functionaries are appointed.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Apr 8th, 2019 at 07:53:03 PM EST
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Sure, but there have been quite a few attempts at starting third parties. The problem comes in the electoral college where getting 34% (against the Ds getting 33% and the Rs getting 33%) is not enough to win. You need to get 51%.

Third parties have historically gotten less than 20% of the popular vote, and then because of the state-level manipulation you mention, they have ended up with an even smaller percentage in the electoral college.

The current movement to award state electoral college votes to the national popular vote winner will not change the 51% consideration.

by asdf on Mon Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:54:18 PM EST
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Actually, Bill Clinton won with 43% as Perot siphoned off more votes from R's than from D's and only a plurality was required for Clinton's election. This also occurred in 1912 when TR ran on the Bull Moose ticket and Wilson won.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Apr 9th, 2019 at 01:35:06 AM EST
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It's not about parties, it's about policies. D & R establishments are both pro-war, pro-pork, pro-Wall St, and pro-neoliberalism - essentially pro the right of the oligarchy to continue enclosing ever more of the world's wealth, for no particularly good reason.

The Rs are more pro-racism, and the Ds are more pro-identity-politics. But that's just red meat and tofu to distract the voters.

D&R fringes have more variety, with ideas that look suspiciously like social democracy on the D side, and like outright fascism on the R side.  But don't expect any serious change - or much hope - from either quarter.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Apr 9th, 2019 at 04:14:02 PM EST
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It would be interesting to see what the democrats would do if they got solid control of the administration and congress. That has not been the situation since Reagan.
by asdf on Tue Apr 9th, 2019 at 05:13:49 PM EST
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Split like the New York Senate?
by fjallstrom on Tue Apr 9th, 2019 at 06:09:00 PM EST
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"there is no co-operative solution available to the participants in this particular game. A peculiar version of the prisoner's dilemma."

nice try

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Apr 7th, 2019 at 04:51:14 PM EST
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