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Most conservative Brits want No Deal.

I believe you're underestimating how insanely far the far-right has moved. Something like 70% of Tory supporters and a solid core of Tory MPs are gung-ho for body bags, food shortages, rioting, and death.

This is why we have a problem. If a tiny lunatic fringe wanted No Deal, it would be off the table.

But it's not a tiny lunatic fringe. It's quite a large lunatic fringe - around 30% of all voters, and by far the most active element in the Tory grass roots.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Apr 5th, 2019 at 06:08:53 PM EST
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Which is why I expect UKIP and Farage's new Brexit party to do well, but they will mainly be taking votes from May's Conservative party chained to her hugely unpopular deal. Perhaps it is UKIP or Farage's party who will take over from the Conservatives in the duopoly but my own guess is they are too weak and divided. It's all very well to vote for such parties as a protest vote in an EP election, but many of those votes would either not materialise or be wasted in a single-seat FPTP general election. Either way, I think there is huge instability in the UK political system at the moment, and quite a few previously unthinkable outcomes may become possible.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Apr 5th, 2019 at 06:30:34 PM EST
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TBG:"But it's not a tiny lunatic fringe. It's quite a large lunatic fringe - around 30% of all voters, and by far the most active element in the Tory grass roots."

Interestingly, that is about the size of Trump's base in the USA. Anglo-Saxon Disease. Same root, toxic ethnic nostalgia. The only sane way forward is to marginalize these folks. But can we do it?

The most dangerous time for the adherents to such madness is when their representatives gain power. In both countries the adherents see glorious victory. Fortunately, most of the rest see disaster.

May those who orchestrate and support such madness go down with their puppets.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Apr 8th, 2019 at 01:14:51 AM EST
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This is the size of the Altemeyer "Authoritarians" more or less.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 8th, 2019 at 12:29:55 PM EST
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