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European Churches: Vandalized, Defecated On, and Torched "Every Day"
(dated April 14, 2019)

In Germany, four separate churches were vandalized and/or torched in March alone [...]

In February, vandals desecrated and smashed crosses and statues at Saint-Alain Cathedral in Lavaur, France, and mangled the arms of a statue of a crucified Christ in a mocking manner [...]

In France, two churches are desecrated every day on average. According to PI-News, a German news site, 1,063 attacks on Christian churches or symbols (crucifixes, icons, statues) were registered in France in 2018. This represents a 17% increase compared to the previous year

And Newsweek, last month:
Catholic Churches Are Being Desecrated Across France -- and Officials Don't Know Why

France has seen a spate of attacks against Catholic churches since the start of the year, vandalism that has included arson and desecration.

Vandals have smashed statues, knocked down tabernacles, scattered or destroyed the Eucharist and torn down crosses, sparking fears of a rise in anti-Catholic sentiment in the country.

[...] the historic Church of St. Sulpice in Paris was set on fire just after midday mass on Sunday, Le Parisien reported, although no one was injured. Police are still investigating the attack, which firefighters have confidently attributed to arson.

by das monde on Tue Apr 16th, 2019 at 06:46:51 AM EST
I was wondering just how fast the far right would come up with insinuations and soon-to-be viral fake news about Notre Dame. I did a quick Gloog to see and didn't find much. I have to come to ET to come across this shitsmear.

I'd tell you to get lost, das monde, except you already are.

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Apr 16th, 2019 at 07:12:22 AM EST
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Fake Newsweek, right? Nothing in the French media?

I rather have certain limits and see hard choices. Nothing is certain in this fake or sanitized social cirque, but the tabu on questioning this kumbaya sensitivity is an irresponsible dictate in the complicated, limited world. Do you really think that the Chinese or Arabs won't surpass white men in racism, misogyny, ugly colonialism? Post-modernity will need (really) toxic overlords, after all?

Say please, and I go lost.

by das monde on Tue Apr 16th, 2019 at 08:02:18 AM EST
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Your first "source" is the Gatestone Institute:

The Gatestone Institute (formerly Stonegate Institute and Hudson New York) is a right-wing[2][3][4] anti-Muslim[a] think tank with a focus on Islam and the Middle East. The organization has attracted attention for publishing false articles and being a source of viral falsehoods.[5][6][7][8][9](Wikipedia)

which cites PI-News :

Politically Incorrect (commonly abbreviated PI) is a mainly German-language Counter-jihad[3] political blog which focuses on topics related to immigration, multiculturalism and Islam in Germany and Western societies. A condensed version of the weblog is available in English.[4] The blog's self-declared goal is to bring news to a wider public attention which it perceives to be ignored or suppressed in the mainstream media due to a pervading "leftist political correctness."[5] It describes itself as pro-American, pro-Israel, in support of fundamental rights and human rights and opposed to the "Islamisation of Europe".

Newsweek is a blah-blah American weekly that is not an authoritative source on European society.

As for French media, they do report on incidents of this kind. Also on desecration of Jewish and Muslim places of worship. More balanced than your insinuations under the wannabe header of "This is coming up fast".

Say please, and I go lost.

I don't think anyone reasonable says please to a little proto-fascist.


I used to be afew. I'm still not many.

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Apr 16th, 2019 at 08:30:05 AM EST
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If authorized sources won't touch this subject uber alles, that is a proto-fascist censure. Who else beside those committed to bringing news to a wider public attention [that is] ignored or suppressed [by] political correctness covers that?
by das monde on Tue Apr 16th, 2019 at 08:42:02 AM EST
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Have yourself a slice of "political correctness".

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Apr 16th, 2019 at 12:41:35 PM EST
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Below par for my attention
by das monde on Tue Apr 16th, 2019 at 02:56:07 PM EST
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We are entitled to judge you by the sources you cite.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Apr 19th, 2019 at 02:42:14 PM EST
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There ought to be a law for that titled "Citations".

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Apr 19th, 2019 at 03:50:52 PM EST
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Possibly you didn't look very hard

Both your RT and your Newspeak articles clearly have their source in this article published in Le Figaro at the end of March.

Two high school kids set fire to an altar and broke some furniture. They got caught on videosurveillance.

Figaro, being a conservative paper, adds a bunch of numbers they got from the police.

The article from Libération puts the numbers in perspective : anti-religious acts reported to the police in 2018 : 541 antisemitic, 100  anti-muslim and 1 063 anti-christian (mostly thefts and desecrations of churches, which are very soft targets because they are almost always empty)

And here are some numbers from the Ministry of the Interior

But you are, of course, free to prefer far-right secondary sources to learn these facts which political crectnis conceals.


It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Apr 19th, 2019 at 03:06:50 PM EST
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Is stealing from the collection box classified as anti-christian, or is it merely theft? From a conversation with the sacristan of S. Maria d. Vittoria, I gather that this is a serious problem in Italy.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Apr 19th, 2019 at 04:02:19 PM EST
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The point is a significant rise of vandalism of Christian churches in France and Germany this year. Die Welt reported somewhat larger numbers than Figaro. Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung confidently reported as well. Incidents like in Saint-Sulpice were far from petty.
by das monde on Sat Apr 20th, 2019 at 06:33:52 AM EST
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Steve Pinker method of longitudinal and latitudinal data collection FTW?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Apr 21st, 2019 at 03:36:55 PM EST
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I haven't got numbers for Germany, but concerning France, you didn't actually read the numbers, did you? Or maybe you did, and they didn't fit your thesis?

 

le nombre d'actes antichrétiens est stable sur l'année avec 1063 actes recensés (1038 en 2017).


It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Tue Apr 23rd, 2019 at 11:08:42 AM EST
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This year (2019) is already memorable.
by das monde on Thu Apr 25th, 2019 at 06:01:53 AM EST
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For?

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Thu Apr 25th, 2019 at 09:48:20 AM EST
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The point is a significant rise of vandalism of Christian churches in France and Germany this year
Not enough finger pointing to prickle your (non-)focus, but I am done here.
by das monde on Thu Apr 25th, 2019 at 10:09:28 AM EST
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For France, here are the figures claimed by the very right-wing Observatoire de la Christianophobie:

January 2019 : 66 antichristian acts
February 2019 : 48 antichristian acts

Projected over one year, that points a very signicant fall in 2019.

But don't let that bother you, since you're done here.

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Thu Apr 25th, 2019 at 11:55:08 AM EST
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At least it wasn't the Jews.
Prominent settler rabbi, Shlomo Aviner, ruled today (Tuesday) that burning churches outside of the Land of Yisrael "isn't our job for now", but as for the Holy Land, "the issue is more complicated". Aviner seemed to leave the question of burning churches in the Holy Land to the questioner.

Aviner, who draws a public salary as the rabbi of the major settlement Beit El and is also the rabbi of a prestigious yeshiva (Ateret Yerushaliam, formerly Ateret Cohanim), is considered to be one most important rabbis of the religious nationalist sector.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Apr 17th, 2019 at 06:47:58 AM EST
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Jokes and their relation to the unconscious, pp 1615-1820.
Pt. A. Analytic Part. faulty reasoning
"The Great Rabbi N. was sitting and praying with his disciples. Suddenly ..."

No AI in humor: R2-D2 walks into a bar, doesn't get the joke

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Apr 18th, 2019 at 01:24:40 PM EST
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by generic on Wed Apr 24th, 2019 at 03:49:40 PM EST
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In other words: massive wood beams are very difficult to put on fire; and using a blowtorch in open air is not the right way to go about it.

Nothing that the professional fire prevention specialist didn't know already: this type of fire is often smoldering for hours undetected, in a confined environment, such as under a lead roof, so that the pyrolysis gases can accumulate and eventually start an open fire.

Peat bog fires can also burn undetected for weeks.

Some technical explanations in French:

Fumée jaune, vieux chêne : ces vidéos sur l'incendie de Notre-Dame qui ne démontrent rien

« Ces démonstrations montrent ce qu'elles montrent : le bois massif, c'est difficile à enflammer », ironise Armelle Muller, directrice du département feu et environnement de CNPP (Centre national de prévention et de protection), un groupe de prévention et de maîtrise des risques.

« Pour que le feu prenne, il faut que la température du bois augmente et que les gaz de pyrolyse s'accumulent », explique cette ingénieure chimiste, qui fait partie des experts près de la cour d'appel de Rouen. Les gaz qui sont émis par le bois en parallèle de la hausse de température prennent ensuite feu s'ils entrent en contact avec une quantité suffisante d'oxygène contenue dans l'air ambiant. C'est notamment de cette manière qu'un incendie peut se déclencher bien après le début d'une combustion, lorsque l'oxygène arrive en grande quantité.

by Bernard on Thu Apr 25th, 2019 at 08:14:25 PM EST
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