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Conservative party members would rather break up the United Kingdom than stop Brexit
The latest YouGov poll of Conservative party members, who will soon be charged with choosing the UK's next prime minister, suggests they would opt to see both Scotland and Northern Ireland leave the UK, if it was the only way to ensure the UK leaves the EU.

Sixty three per cent say they would rather Scotland left the UK if it secured Brexit, with 61% willing to accept "significant damage" to the economy and 59% willing to see Northern Ireland leave the UK.

A further 54% would want Brexit to go ahead even if it meant the destruction of their own party.

The only perspective that would turn them against Brexit? Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn.

by Bernard on Thu Jun 20th, 2019 at 07:27:23 AM EST
They weren't asked what they'd do with Wales if they got half a chance. But it's clear that, for Tories, Brexit means Englexit.

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Thu Jun 20th, 2019 at 09:49:58 AM EST
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Isn't Wales just a national park for England anyway? I know a few yokals speak a different language and their national sport is beating England at rugby, but apart from that, what makes Wales a different country?  /runs/hides

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jun 20th, 2019 at 10:27:08 AM EST
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<whisper> Beating Ireland at rugby? </whisper>

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Thu Jun 20th, 2019 at 01:12:04 PM EST
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We'll see - at the World Cup, where it matters... However it's nice to see you define Welsh nationhood in contradistinction to Ireland... now if only they could have their own government...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jun 20th, 2019 at 02:04:56 PM EST
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Although Wales backed brexit too, so it's their fault too.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 20th, 2019 at 08:04:41 PM EST
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True. But the point that the Conservative Party is English, to the exclusion of the other bits of the UK, stands.

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 05:12:17 AM EST
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Although strangely, Wales voted very like England in the European elections.
Welsh results:
Brexit Party 32.5%
Conservatives 6.5%

UK results:
Brexit Party 30.5%
Conservatives 8.8%


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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 11:27:50 AM EST
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Can't post the map, but it's on this page of today's Grauniad:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/more-than-half-of-tory-members-would-ruin-party-ove r-brexit

21% of Conservative Party members live in South-East England. 4% in Wales.

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 04:24:57 PM EST
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I had thought that that was roughly in line with population demographics more generally, but I now see on the Guardian page that SE England is defined to exclude London, so your point stands. The "Home Counties" is such a quaint term to describe the more important part of England where true conservatives live...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 07:06:34 PM EST
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I suspect that there is a significant population in Wales that considers themselves English.
by fjallstrom on Sun Jun 23rd, 2019 at 10:46:17 PM EST
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tbh, they're so crazed about it that if they were told that brexit would cause the Sun to expand into a red giant and vaporize the earth I think they'd be happy with that too.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 20th, 2019 at 08:05:59 PM EST
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It is quite amusing that in the hierarchy of Conservative party member fears, the fear of a Corbyn government out ranks even the fear that Brexit will never happen, not to mention the break-up of the UK and the destruction of the Conservative Party itself. Corbyn must feel quite chuffed at how important he has become in the greater scheme of things...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 09:50:01 AM EST
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