All over bar the shouting... [Update 3] | 61 comments (61 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Party before country (4.00 / 3)

They weren't asked what they'd do with Wales if they got half a chance. But it's clear that, for Tories, Brexit means Englexit.

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Thu Jun 20th, 2019 at 09:49:58 AM EST
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Re: Party before country (none / 1)

Isn't Wales just a national park for England anyway? I know a few yokals speak a different language and their national sport is beating England at rugby, but apart from that, what makes Wales a different country? /runs/hides

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jun 20th, 2019 at 10:27:08 AM EST
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Re: Party before country (none / 1)

<whisper> Beating Ireland at rugby? </whisper>

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Thu Jun 20th, 2019 at 01:12:04 PM EST
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Re: Party before country (none / 0)

We'll see - at the World Cup, where it matters... However it's nice to see you define Welsh nationhood in contradistinction to Ireland... now if only they could have their own government...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jun 20th, 2019 at 02:04:56 PM EST
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Re: Party before country (4.00 / 2)

Although Wales backed brexit too, so it's their fault too.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 20th, 2019 at 08:04:41 PM EST
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Re: Party before country (none / 1)

True. But the point that the Conservative Party is English, to the exclusion of the other bits of the UK, stands.

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 05:12:17 AM EST
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Re: Party before country (none / 0)

Although strangely, Wales voted very like England in the European elections.
Welsh results:
Brexit Party 32.5%
Conservatives 6.5%

UK results:
Brexit Party 30.5%
Conservatives 8.8%

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 11:27:50 AM EST
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Re: Party before country (none / 1)

Can't post the map, but it's on this page of today's Grauniad:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/more-than-half-of-tory-members-would-ruin-party-ove r-brexit

21% of Conservative Party members live in South-East England. 4% in Wales.

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 04:24:57 PM EST
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Re: Party before country (none / 1)

I had thought that that was roughly in line with population demographics more generally, but I now see on the Guardian page that SE England is defined to exclude London, so your point stands. The "Home Counties" is such a quaint term to describe the more important part of England where true conservatives live...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 07:06:34 PM EST
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Re: Party before country (none / 1)

I suspect that there is a significant population in Wales that considers themselves English.

by fjallstrom on Sun Jun 23rd, 2019 at 10:46:17 PM EST
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