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by generic on Mon Aug 19th, 2019 at 07:03:55 PM EST
The Liib Dems have been in coalition with Labour in the Scottish government, before the SNP overtook both parties.

The Lib Dem member of the Welsh Assembly is currently a member of the Labour led Welsh government.

Brown offered the Lib Dems nothing in terms of policy, at a time when a coalition needed to be formed in the national interest. It is impossible to say what deal might have been made with Milliband, if the numbers in the 2015 Parliament had made a Lab/Lib Dem coalition possible.

The pesent situation is quite different. The Lib Dems would support a government of national unity led by almost any pro-remain Labour MP except for Corbyn and his factional allies. This is even more the case for dissident Conservatives and ex-Labour Independents.

The difficulty is that Corbyn has no realistic possibility of gathering a majority, but is well placed to prevent any other opposition MP from doing so. As a result nothing will be done, which will result in no new government before 31st October.

by Gary J on Wed Aug 21st, 2019 at 08:41:17 AM EST
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The pesent situation is quite different. The Lib Dems would support a government of national unity led by almost any pro-remain Labour MP except for Corbyn and his factional allies.

Possibly, but it would probably wipe them out at the polls.
To be fair I really don't see that there is any majority to be had. The Tories like their expenses accounts and should still remember what happened at their last snap election. Change UK is also dead and probably won't go for an election.

by generic on Wed Aug 21st, 2019 at 09:39:06 AM EST
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No one else has a realistic hope of getting more of a majority.

Certainly not Clarke, whom the LibDems ("The Remain Party') now appear to be touting as a more realistic choice, even though he's a soft Brexiter who is dead set against a PV and won't have majority support on either the Tory or the Labour side.

The reality is that whatever the LibDem faithful think, with various degrees of self-awareness, the role of the the party and its precursors for the last 15-20 years has always been to make sure that European-style social democratic policies are kept well away from Westminster, while US-style social darwinism is rebranded as fiscal responsibility.

This extends to a rather robotic and mechanical aversion to allowing competent centre-left politicians anywhere near power. We saw it in the EU elections, where LibDem interference allowed the Brexit Party to topple a number of pro-European Labour MEPs who had been doing a good job for their constituents.

We're seeing it again now.

Swinson could easily say "OK, on condition that..." and set some limits. Then she could help bring some of the moderate Tory rebels on board. This would take No Deal off the table, set some precedents, and generally make everyone breathe a sigh of relief.

The fact that she'd rather make an outrageous and unrealistic demand - and parachute in a Tory Brexiter - than support Corbyn in ending No Deal makes it absolutely clear what's really happening here.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Aug 21st, 2019 at 11:49:51 AM EST
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Am I alone in seeing all of this as a pre-negotiating mating ritual? Jeremy claims the caretaker PM role as his right. Cue outrage elsewhere. Jo Swinson proposes Clarke. Cue Labour outrage. Caroline Lucas throws in a green rabbit. Gradually we might get to someone least unacceptable to all sides, but only after all sides favoured candidates have been rules out.

Harriet Harmon seems like a possible option, but ChangeUK and Independent MPs will only vote for a general election if an electoral pact - guaranteeing them a free run at the Tory & Brexit candidates - is in place. Otherwise you are asking them to commit suicide. The best placed opposition candidate from the 2017 election gets to hold the Remain/people's vote banner supported by the others.

Surely there is someone with the negotiating nous to realize that everyone must have their red lines, but that these red lines are not mutually exclusive?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Aug 21st, 2019 at 04:51:30 PM EST
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Peacocks incubation period 30 days ...

For British political parties not the faintest of chance ... expecially when not acting as grown-ups for over two years now.

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Wed Aug 21st, 2019 at 08:40:00 PM EST
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