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No one else has a realistic hope of getting more of a majority.

Certainly not Clarke, whom the LibDems ("The Remain Party') now appear to be touting as a more realistic choice, even though he's a soft Brexiter who is dead set against a PV and won't have majority support on either the Tory or the Labour side.

The reality is that whatever the LibDem faithful think, with various degrees of self-awareness, the role of the the party and its precursors for the last 15-20 years has always been to make sure that European-style social democratic policies are kept well away from Westminster, while US-style social darwinism is rebranded as fiscal responsibility.

This extends to a rather robotic and mechanical aversion to allowing competent centre-left politicians anywhere near power. We saw it in the EU elections, where LibDem interference allowed the Brexit Party to topple a number of pro-European Labour MEPs who had been doing a good job for their constituents.

We're seeing it again now.

Swinson could easily say "OK, on condition that..." and set some limits. Then she could help bring some of the moderate Tory rebels on board. This would take No Deal off the table, set some precedents, and generally make everyone breathe a sigh of relief.

The fact that she'd rather make an outrageous and unrealistic demand - and parachute in a Tory Brexiter - than support Corbyn in ending No Deal makes it absolutely clear what's really happening here.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Aug 21st, 2019 at 11:49:51 AM EST
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Am I alone in seeing all of this as a pre-negotiating mating ritual? Jeremy claims the caretaker PM role as his right. Cue outrage elsewhere. Jo Swinson proposes Clarke. Cue Labour outrage. Caroline Lucas throws in a green rabbit. Gradually we might get to someone least unacceptable to all sides, but only after all sides favoured candidates have been rules out.

Harriet Harmon seems like a possible option, but ChangeUK and Independent MPs will only vote for a general election if an electoral pact - guaranteeing them a free run at the Tory & Brexit candidates - is in place. Otherwise you are asking them to commit suicide. The best placed opposition candidate from the 2017 election gets to hold the Remain/people's vote banner supported by the others.

Surely there is someone with the negotiating nous to realize that everyone must have their red lines, but that these red lines are not mutually exclusive?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Aug 21st, 2019 at 04:51:30 PM EST
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Peacocks incubation period 30 days ...

For British political parties not the faintest of chance ... expecially when not acting as grown-ups for over two years now.

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Wed Aug 21st, 2019 at 08:40:00 PM EST
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