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The Queen is 93 and possibly not quite on top of what's happening.

So the horse trading would be done by her advisors, who would represent the Crown - a rather nebulous constitutional entity that is supposed to represent the State, but which in practice acts primarily to preserve the business interests of the monarchy.

Now - hypothetically - what if the current generation of advisors were all Brexiters? It wouldn't matter what the Queen wanted, because the advisors are literally the power behind the throne, and the Queen has very limited power of action without their support.

This is pure speculation. I have no idea if it's true. But the arrogance of Johnson etc worries me.

There's self-assurance, and then there's the kind of blind and stupid action that comes from a belief that the Establishment supports you and won't act against you.

Granted, Johnson isn't the most self-aware of all political operators, and it's perfectly possible he's simply a delusional narcissist.

But it's also hard to see how Brexit could have gotten as far as it has without at least some Establishment support. Considering how hard it is to make any big changes in the UK, it's been extraordinarily effective in a relatively short time. And that wouldn't have happened if the Establishment wasn't at least partially in favour of it.

So the question is - how much of the Establishment supports it, and from what power base? We can take the Home Office for granted, because it's Fascist Central anyway. The FO will be more pragmatic.

But the Queen's own office? It's impossible for outsiders to know what's happening there. But it's certainly impossible to guarantee it's a fervent Remainer outpost.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Aug 23rd, 2019 at 11:14:00 AM EST
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I'm not sure it matters much what the Queen thinks, but FWIW there was genuine warmth expressed by and towards the Queen on her 2011 state visit to Ireland. Given the Royal Family lost Lord Mountbatten to the Troubles, that was some achievement. I doubt she would be too impressed by anyone playing fast and loose with the Good Friday Agreement. Her role is to foster good relations with othoer states, and in the case of Ireland, she has been successful. Why would she want to throw that relationship under a bus?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Aug 23rd, 2019 at 04:08:50 PM EST
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It would seem that the interests of the royal family would be roughly in parallel with the long-term interests of the UK as a whole. A problem with that viewpoint is that it also can be used to justify the old-style House of Lords. But still, one might expect that she would not want to go down in history as the queen who, after several decades of reasonable stability, ultimately oversaw the breakup of the kingdom.

Also, she's got a lot of real estate in Scotland that will pose an interesting question when they break off from England in about a year.

by asdf on Sat Aug 24th, 2019 at 12:10:16 AM EST
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Parallel interests never intersect.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Aug 24th, 2019 at 03:30:35 AM EST
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