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I have to wonder if, in the face of the protests we have seen and the polling, such as it is, if Boris is able to bring off a crash out of the EU and then calls an election, would the result necessarily be to his liking. It is hard to imagine anything that would motivate Remain voters more than what is happening now.
 

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Aug 29th, 2019 at 09:08:14 PM EST
The problem is that given the UK FPTP electoral system, 30% of the vote can be sufficient to win an overall majority provided the opposition is sufficiently divided. Presumably the Brexit party will fade away after a no deal Brexit as their whole raison d'etre will have been achieved. That would mean Boris could clean up on the pro-Brexit vote.

The other problem is that if Brexit results in considerable disruption, voters will be urged to teach Jonny foreigner a lesson that Britain will not be cowed. The Dunkirk spirit all over again. Only one candidate will be promising to "make a success of Brexit" and that would be Boris. Voters will hardly vote for someone who said Brexit will be a disaster.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Aug 29th, 2019 at 09:35:02 PM EST
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  1.  Lose the battle

  2.  Dump all your stuff

  3.  Run away

(Boy that's inspiring!)

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Fri Aug 30th, 2019 at 04:59:58 PM EST
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You don't get it, do you?
Brave British Boys battling unBelievable odds
evading capture
being rescued by fishermen and part time sailors
the common people coming up trumps
living to fight another day
the precursor to D-Day
VE day
Churchill
Thatcher
Boris
Brexit!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Aug 30th, 2019 at 05:31:28 PM EST
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While French troops got killed fighting to hold German divisons who wanted to attack British boys...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Sun Sep 1st, 2019 at 01:57:48 PM EST
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Let's not forget the Senegal troops were killed after the surrender for being untermenschen

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sun Sep 1st, 2019 at 03:09:10 PM EST
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And French deaths to protect British troops in retreat don't count either...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Sep 1st, 2019 at 07:06:36 PM EST
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Not fair.

British troops were sacrificed to protect the beaches, the RAF was so weakened protecting the beaches that it nearly lost us the Battle of Britain.

PLUS, over 100,000 french troops were evacuated, most of whom were immediately re-patriated on the Atlantic coast, just in time to surrender. So of 300,000 troops saved, the sacrifice by troops of all armies and the RAF to protect 1/3 of that effort was wasted.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Sep 1st, 2019 at 09:25:00 PM EST
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There was little else the BEF could do but get out it.

The positioning of the BEF in Gamelin's deployment put them between the French Seventh Army to the north and Blanchard's First Army to the south so when the armies retreated it left the French Seventh facing elements of von Kuchler's 18th Army and and French First facing the 6th Army of von Reichenau with the BEF effectively squeezed out of the battle until the final days when elements of the BEF held the line from Nieuport to Bergues along the Bergues-Furnas canal.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sun Sep 1st, 2019 at 11:56:36 PM EST
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it didn't help that Gamelin's conduct of the war was idiotic. He was effectively in overall command of the allies at this point, including BEF.

He holed himself up in a moated chateau far from the front with only one telephone line and no radio communication. When the german axis breakout happened at Sedan, he withdrew as much of his army as possible towards the defence of Paris, effectively abandoning northern France.

But yes, the BEF were left with little choice to get out while they still could

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 01:23:24 PM EST
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In The Second World War (1949), Winston Churchill described the Allied defence of Lille as a "splendid contribution", which delayed the German advance for four days and allowed the escape of the British Expeditionary Force from Dunkirk.[7] William L. Shirer wrote in 1969 that the "gallant" defence of Lille "helped the beleaguered Anglo-French forces around the port to hold out for an additional two to three days and thus save at least 100,000 more troops".[1] Alistair Horrne wrote in 1982 that the French defence of Lille enabled the BEF and the rest of the First Army to retreat into the Dunkirk perimeter and in 2013, Douglas Fermer wrote that the Battle of Lille diverted about seven German divisions during the evacuation of Dunkirk.
See also: Siege of Lille
The desperate resistance of Allied forces, especially the French 12th Motorised Infantry Division from the Fort des Dunes, had bought time for the evacuation of the bulk of the troops. The Wehrmacht captured some 35,000 soldiers, almost all of them French. These men had protected the evacuation until the last moment and were unable to embark. The same fate was reserved for the survivors of the French 12th Motorised Infantry Division (composed in particular of the French 150th Infantry Regiment); they were taken prisoner on the morning of 4 June on the beach of Malo-les-Bains. See also: Retreat to Dunkirk


"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 12:51:31 AM EST
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Thanks for the more informed commentary! I think some of us were reacting more to the use of Dunkirk in the Brexiteer rhetoric of today rather than the military reality of yesteryear...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 08:10:43 AM EST
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That would certainly be the Leave voter's reaction. I was referring to the Remain voters, which seem to be the majority.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Aug 31st, 2019 at 07:36:43 PM EST
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