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After 7 min I turned it off .. confused and in search of an exit for someone to blame for a faulty decision ... a long winding mea culpa.

In a short version: "I was ignorant of the facts."

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Sun Aug 11th, 2019 at 05:33:57 PM EST
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well yes, I doubt you can really be a leaver and not be "ignorant of the facts". I thought it was more interesting to see how even people who were relatively well informed managed to put themselves into a campaign mindset where the news cycle was dominant and inconvenient facts were simply there to be dismissed rther than addressed in a debate about the UK's future.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Aug 11th, 2019 at 06:00:30 PM EST
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Also interesting to hear that Ireland just wasn't on anyone's thought agenda in the Leave campaign. No doubt some people at the top were aware it was a gnarly problem, and therefore to be dismissed, filed under Project Fear or Year 2K. Above all not addressed (still the case).

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Sun Aug 11th, 2019 at 06:23:34 PM EST
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At the time of the election they'd really swallowed their Kool Aid that they were gonna have full tariff free access to EU markets as before, but with the ability to do their own trade deals.

So, Ulster's stuation wasn't going to change, so why worry?

It only became a problem when reality gnawed through their herd of unicorns

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Aug 11th, 2019 at 08:56:58 PM EST
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"intelligent" but certainly NOT well informed in particular where you make mention of the "news cycle". First thing the blog community speaks of ... the MSM and lack of insight. Speaking of the "Union" but lacking knowledge of NI, Belfast and the "troubles" seems to me a contradiction. Certainly a studied person should be qualified to see through propaganda. The "Leave" movement campaign was purely build on propaganda feeding on nationalist feelings. For all clear to see ... emotions win elections, not rationale.

By chance a forewarning the states Trump would win ... supporting the #VoteLeave campaign. Alt-right support.



Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Sun Aug 11th, 2019 at 06:39:14 PM EST
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tbh the "Union" is really an expression of Greater England. It's what Home counties Tories cleave to to make themselves seem rooted in our Imperial past.

Equally, in Ulter (and to a lessser extent in Scotland), it is a prop for politicians who fear irrelevance unless bolstered by the financial clout of Big Brother.

It's like the "Special Relationship", it's a confession of weakness rather than of strength

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Aug 11th, 2019 at 08:54:14 PM EST
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