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No, Parliament chucking the PM and asking the Queen to appoint a new one is not a coup, it's how your country works. I know this is hard for people in the UK to understand given the constant storm of disinformation, but you don't have a presidential system where the PM is directly elected. Since the Tories and Lib Dems broke the system with the FTPA it's become much harder to kill off governments.

The "all woman" bit is marketing - I've seen the suggestion that it was thrown in to actually get coverage - but at least it raises the issue.

There's nothing undemocratic about either extension + referendum or election or even revoking A50, which doesn't stop Brexit, just means it needs to be restarted, hopefully with an actual plan this time if the polity so chooses.

This may seem sensible but would probably cause a widespread generational disaffection with UK democracy.

Do you see any paths forward that don't do that?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 03:05:37 PM EST
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Do I see any path forwared that doesn't cause widespread disaffection? Yes, I do. But sadly it means to let this play out; for madness, catastrophe and worse.

After 40 years of right wing government, we have reached (I nearly typed retched) a crisis of government in the UK. It might have been avoided if we hadn't had the referendum, but the moment it was declared, let alone voted upon, we were, in hindsight, obviously doomed.

We need to eradicate, not just the parties, but an entire way of thinking. And to do that we have to rub the noses of the English authoritarians in the mud of where their stupidities go. There is no return to Empire, there won't even be a United Kingdom within a decade.

Alll their dreams of global consequence will turn to ash as they realise that politics isn't about identity, culture or sovereignty, it's about power. Those who have the most, get the most. Those who have little, get nothing. The EU is a powerful economy with a lot of global power while England is a little country and has little of anything. And the Little Englanders need to have that smashed into their skulls with baseball cricket bats.

I do not say this lightly. I fear there will be starvation, riots and national disorder leading to many, many deaths. We cannot save ourselves because there is no way out of the corner we are painted into.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 03:26:02 PM EST
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There are a lot of depressing YouTube videos about daily life in Britain in the 1970s. I first went there in 1976 and was shocked, coming from a suburban US upbringing.

It is hard to believe that nostalgia for that period would be supportable, even through the most powerful rose-colored glasses.

Although apparently there is some nostalgia for the USSR, too. I suppose having social systems that provide basic necessities has some advantages.

by asdf on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 03:54:17 PM EST
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I tend to look back on it as a period when there was a lot wrong with the UK, but that the solutions offered by thacher were just a cocaine rush that left us in a worse place.

We had cheap housing available for nearly everybody, if there were no jobs, there was a generous benefit scheme that meant that nobody went without food, clothing, warmth or shelter, we had a functioning NHS that kept us all healthy.

Frankly, there's a fuck of a lot of that which would make the US happy right now, let alone the UK.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 04:37:04 PM EST
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I think the nostalgia is more for the 1950s and early '60s, (before the long-hairs took over).

You have to realize that, back then, Typhoo was real tea, Marmite had the proper flavour, Cadbury's Dairy Milk was the way it should be, and my fish and chips came wrapped in newspaper. All of which unelected Brussels bureaucrats have deprived me of.

 

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by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Aug 13th, 2019 at 08:43:23 AM EST
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Not only does the UK not have a Presidential system, but it doesn't have a normal parliamentary system where Parliament elects the PM either. The PM is appointed by the Queen, and thereafter she has no choice but to do his bidding, and Parliament doesn't have much control over him either even if it does vote no confidence in him - twice. He can still chose to delay an election until after Brexit day.

The bottom line is that so long as a majority in Parliament can't agree on an alternative plan or leader they are pissing into the wind, or perhaps more accurately, at each other. All their petty squabbles and personal ambitions are more important than stopping what they all claim to be against - a no deal Brexit.

Frankly the entire UK body politic needs to be flushed down the toilet - if they were representing my country I would be utterly appalled.

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