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Do I see any path forwared that doesn't cause widespread disaffection? Yes, I do. But sadly it means to let this play out; for madness, catastrophe and worse.

After 40 years of right wing government, we have reached (I nearly typed retched) a crisis of government in the UK. It might have been avoided if we hadn't had the referendum, but the moment it was declared, let alone voted upon, we were, in hindsight, obviously doomed.

We need to eradicate, not just the parties, but an entire way of thinking. And to do that we have to rub the noses of the English authoritarians in the mud of where their stupidities go. There is no return to Empire, there won't even be a United Kingdom within a decade.

Alll their dreams of global consequence will turn to ash as they realise that politics isn't about identity, culture or sovereignty, it's about power. Those who have the most, get the most. Those who have little, get nothing. The EU is a powerful economy with a lot of global power while England is a little country and has little of anything. And the Little Englanders need to have that smashed into their skulls with baseball cricket bats.

I do not say this lightly. I fear there will be starvation, riots and national disorder leading to many, many deaths. We cannot save ourselves because there is no way out of the corner we are painted into.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 03:26:02 PM EST
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There are a lot of depressing YouTube videos about daily life in Britain in the 1970s. I first went there in 1976 and was shocked, coming from a suburban US upbringing.

It is hard to believe that nostalgia for that period would be supportable, even through the most powerful rose-colored glasses.

Although apparently there is some nostalgia for the USSR, too. I suppose having social systems that provide basic necessities has some advantages.

by asdf on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 03:54:17 PM EST
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I tend to look back on it as a period when there was a lot wrong with the UK, but that the solutions offered by thacher were just a cocaine rush that left us in a worse place.

We had cheap housing available for nearly everybody, if there were no jobs, there was a generous benefit scheme that meant that nobody went without food, clothing, warmth or shelter, we had a functioning NHS that kept us all healthy.

Frankly, there's a fuck of a lot of that which would make the US happy right now, let alone the UK.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 04:37:04 PM EST
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I think the nostalgia is more for the 1950s and early '60s, (before the long-hairs took over).

You have to realize that, back then, Typhoo was real tea, Marmite had the proper flavour, Cadbury's Dairy Milk was the way it should be, and my fish and chips came wrapped in newspaper. All of which unelected Brussels bureaucrats have deprived me of.

 

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Aug 13th, 2019 at 08:43:23 AM EST
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