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there's only one path out of No Deal.  

Clearly Boris' government doesn't give a damn about a No Deal.

Parliament just won't accept - or cognize - the fact they don't have legislative power over the EU.  So their vote against a No Deal is meaningless.

From what other people here have written, there's no way to prevent Boris, et. al., from forging ahead to a No Deal.  

The path out demands the EU commits suicide.  I'm fairly confident France will veto any move in this direction.  

So: you're fucked.

And speaking of democracy, Brexit is exactly why going to Duh Peepul to give an answer to anything more complicated than "Do You Want Fries/Chips With That?" is a massively stupid idea.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 05:24:38 PM EST
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Oh there is a path out of no deal.

If Boris loses a vote of confidence, the opposition have two weeks to elect an alternative PM designate who can ask for an A.50 extension and announce either a second referendum or a General election.

But could the opposition agree on an alternative PM, even one to serve only 4 weeks to ask for A.50 extension and then call a general election?  Doesn't seem like a lot to ask, but I doubt they could agree on Corbyn, and I doubt he would agree to anyone else...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 06:48:55 PM EST
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That's not a path.  That's a fantasy, if you will excuse me for saying it bluntly.  Corbyn doesn't have the votes to win a No Confidence motion.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 07:23:17 PM EST
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There are an awful lot of conservatives who are now out of government and have relatively little to lose.

But I agree with you, its a 1% scenario.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 07:29:07 PM EST
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well that takes us back to the point I made earlier. Caroline Lucas offers herself as a compromise PM, and  I'd say she could be considered a reasonable honest broker.

But to do what,precisely?

A National Unity to do what precisely?
Stop a No deal brexit I presume, but how?

And replace it with what?
The May deal has been soundly rejected by parliament 3 times
Or stop brexit entirely?

This may seem sensible but would probably cause a widespread generational disaffection with UK democracy.

We stare at the probability of national insurrection in so many directions, I can't begin to see a way out. there are no good options, only some which offer a hope of salvaging something from the mess further down the line.

If we cancel brexit, I guarantee there will be riots and probably armed militia on the streets.

If we delay brexit, we're only kicking that can down the orad and that way lies trouble next year.

If we crash out no deal, there will be food riots by spring.

Perhaps if Boris could get May's deal through, it might be the least worst, but he would not survive the humiliation,. Which means he would never do it cos he's a coward when it comes to that.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 07:29:24 PM EST
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Which goes back to the original problem: there's no such thing as a Brexit.  There's a horde of mutually exclusive Brexits and May was too fucking stupid to force the Leavers to come-up with a Brexit BEFORE she sent the stupid letter.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 07:52:44 PM EST
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No, she made a basic constitutional mistake : knowing she couldn't get any obtainable deal through Parliament, she tried to push it through on executive authority alone. It was the only plausible solution, but Bercow stymied her.

Now, only Bercow can save the UK.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Wed Aug 14th, 2019 at 11:15:02 AM EST
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Ten bucks sez the EU will dream up a reason to give them another extension. "Peace is at hand" or something.
by asdf on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 08:52:24 PM EST
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But the EU cannot unilaterally give an extension. The UK government must ask for one.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 09:30:35 PM EST
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All the same, communications-wise, the EU would probably be well advised to attempt to throw out a lifeline at the last minute. It would blunt the accusation "EU made me do it".

At least, for those who are listening.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Aug 13th, 2019 at 06:48:59 AM EST
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At least, for those who are listening

A small crowd, then.

by Bernard on Tue Aug 13th, 2019 at 08:20:21 AM EST
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Europeans are not entirely subjected to the UK media...

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Aug 13th, 2019 at 08:24:27 AM EST
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Recall that the reason for democracy is to keep the peasants thinking they have a say in policy--so they won't revolt. The trick is to keep them from actually having a say in policy.
by asdf on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 08:54:35 PM EST
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