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"Why didn't the British focus on the fact that they had an extensive land border with the European Union? The answer is that it was in Ireland. It wasn't serious."

That's a really essential question.

I can't do better than the answer offered there. With just a quibble on the tense of the verb: should be "is" not "was". When you see Boris calling on "common sense" wrt the border, you just know neither he nor anyone else in power takes the problem seriously. Neither in its inter-Irish dimension, nor its European dimension.

Boris, tell us: what part of "extensive land border with the European Union" do you not understand?

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
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Nothing you can measure anymore
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by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Sat Aug 10th, 2019 at 11:30:13 AM EST
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There has been absolutely no attempt to engage with either Ireland or the EU since Boris became PM. The British are still negotiating with themselves. I presume the game plan is to win a general election on a no deal platform, preferably after no deal has already happened. If there is one thing more pathetic than the performance of successive British governments since 2016, it has been the collective performance of those opposed to their policies...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Aug 10th, 2019 at 12:31:40 PM EST
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Seems to me, naive American viewpoint, that the Irish question boils down to whether NI is worth supporting. It is a tiny part of the UK economy, it is politically reactionary, it is inhabited by extremists who refuse to cooperate or compromise on anything, the arguments are based on old grievances and obscure religious claim, etc. Just a pain in the neck every way you look at it.

If it were not for May and her election problems that led to needing DUP support, by far the easiest thing would be to toss NI overboard and let it merge with the rest of Ireland. If the DUP can't provide enough parliamentary votes to BoJo for him to maintain a Conservative majority, their power evaporates--and with it any English concern about NI.

by asdf on Sat Aug 10th, 2019 at 05:47:34 PM EST
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So many diabolical options, so much time.

Have you considered a US-UK Chagos option for NI?

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by Cat on Sat Aug 10th, 2019 at 06:00:16 PM EST
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We've got Keflavik in Iceland already, plus a few other sites in Europe. Why would we put up with the hassles of NI?
by asdf on Sun Aug 11th, 2019 at 12:47:41 AM EST
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Not a bad idea. Buy the land, make everybody leave, turn it into a permanent US military outpost. Build some nuclear missile silos, build a giant wall, the best radar air defenses, etc. And, finally, Trump would have a source of "good" immigrants he doesn't hate, because they're white.
by Zwackus on Sun Aug 11th, 2019 at 02:26:57 AM EST
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the IRA wouldn't want to go to the USA, far too violent

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Aug 11th, 2019 at 02:45:02 PM EST
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Didn't people use to go around collecting for the IRA in the Boston, MA, area?
There's a proud tradition of supporting Freedom Fighters!

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by Number 6 on Thu Aug 15th, 2019 at 10:40:15 AM EST
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Hey. Trump is eyeing up Greenland, he could make an offer to the Orangepersons that might appeal to their settler spirit -- it may well be heading for a new climate optimum, after all.

The Catholics can just go back to whatever shithole Free State they came from.

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by eurogreen on Fri Aug 16th, 2019 at 08:47:08 AM EST
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It is a pretty solid bet, I would say, that one of his casting couch generals showed him a picture similar to this one, and his response was something about how the US of A needed to be the biggest and best player in the Arctic. Obviously a sh*thole country like Denmark doesn't deserve such a huge presence up there in polar bear land.

by asdf on Fri Aug 16th, 2019 at 01:45:45 PM EST
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Boris, tell us: what part of "extensive land border with the European Union" do you not understand?

For Boris and his ilk, the UK doesn't have an extensive land border with the EU; the EU has an extensive land border with the UK.  Hence it's the EU's issue to solve, not the UK's.

by rifek on Sat Aug 10th, 2019 at 11:49:35 PM EST
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Multiple theories out there about cheap Chinese goods flooding English market, cheap Australian beef flooding English market, cheap counterfeit "made in UK" goods flooding English market, etc. Maybe the English would find it necessary to build a wall themselves...
by asdf on Sun Aug 11th, 2019 at 12:51:47 AM EST
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