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Oh there is a path out of no deal.

If Boris loses a vote of confidence, the opposition have two weeks to elect an alternative PM designate who can ask for an A.50 extension and announce either a second referendum or a General election.

But could the opposition agree on an alternative PM, even one to serve only 4 weeks to ask for A.50 extension and then call a general election?  Doesn't seem like a lot to ask, but I doubt they could agree on Corbyn, and I doubt he would agree to anyone else...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 06:48:55 PM EST
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That's not a path.  That's a fantasy, if you will excuse me for saying it bluntly.  Corbyn doesn't have the votes to win a No Confidence motion.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 07:23:17 PM EST
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There are an awful lot of conservatives who are now out of government and have relatively little to lose.

But I agree with you, its a 1% scenario.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 07:29:07 PM EST
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well that takes us back to the point I made earlier. Caroline Lucas offers herself as a compromise PM, and  I'd say she could be considered a reasonable honest broker.

But to do what,precisely?

A National Unity to do what precisely?
Stop a No deal brexit I presume, but how?

And replace it with what?
The May deal has been soundly rejected by parliament 3 times
Or stop brexit entirely?

This may seem sensible but would probably cause a widespread generational disaffection with UK democracy.

We stare at the probability of national insurrection in so many directions, I can't begin to see a way out. there are no good options, only some which offer a hope of salvaging something from the mess further down the line.

If we cancel brexit, I guarantee there will be riots and probably armed militia on the streets.

If we delay brexit, we're only kicking that can down the orad and that way lies trouble next year.

If we crash out no deal, there will be food riots by spring.

Perhaps if Boris could get May's deal through, it might be the least worst, but he would not survive the humiliation,. Which means he would never do it cos he's a coward when it comes to that.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 07:29:24 PM EST
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Which goes back to the original problem: there's no such thing as a Brexit.  There's a horde of mutually exclusive Brexits and May was too fucking stupid to force the Leavers to come-up with a Brexit BEFORE she sent the stupid letter.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Mon Aug 12th, 2019 at 07:52:44 PM EST
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No, she made a basic constitutional mistake : knowing she couldn't get any obtainable deal through Parliament, she tried to push it through on executive authority alone. It was the only plausible solution, but Bercow stymied her.

Now, only Bercow can save the UK.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Wed Aug 14th, 2019 at 11:15:02 AM EST
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