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I think it will all depend on how great any delays at Dover turn out to be, and the relative costs. A lot of Irish freight is RO-RO (roll-on roll-off i.e. the truck travels with the load) rather than containers. This may have to change.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Sep 1st, 2019 at 10:30:18 PM EST
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Since the UK has done nothing to prepare the ports of entry are going to be one gigantic mess.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sun Sep 1st, 2019 at 10:37:58 PM EST
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Chris Grayling organised a traffic jam to demonstrate how Brexit would work!

His other great idea was not to conduct ant checks whatsoever and this subvert the whole process which is all a cunning EU plot in the first place...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Sep 1st, 2019 at 11:13:00 PM EST
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Well, the important thing is to demonstrate just how confident the Brexiteers are that the EU will change their mind faced with British resoluteness.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Sep 1st, 2019 at 11:49:17 PM EST
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...British resoluteness.

Rather like the People's Front of Judea's Crack Suicide Squad: We showed them!

by rifek on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 09:07:19 PM EST
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I don't know about that.
The acronym needs a couple of vowels, more coke, possibly weed.

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by Cat on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 09:26:53 PM EST
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It would be possible to have Irish drivers take over the trucks in Ireland. Then there would be no need to pay truckers for the transit time at sea or to pay loading fees for cranes to move containers from truck to boat and then back again at Dublin.

BTW, does Ireland have adequate return cargo for these vessels? It would seem desirable to favor transport of goods to the EU over transport to England, especially where the transport to England is by English vessels. The exception would be if England paid more than the EU would pay.


"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Sep 1st, 2019 at 11:58:47 PM EST
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Ireland runs large trade surpluses with most EU countries although much of Irish exports are services or high value/low volume items like pharmaceuticals which don't take up much container space. Our food exports are likely to require refrigeration and rapid distribution so there may be an imbalance in volumes and container types  required for imports and exports. Not my specialist area!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 03:43:43 PM EST
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Technically, Ro-Ro doesnt mean the truck travels with the trailer. You can have Ro-Ro port tractors which extract the trailers from the ship. (disclaimer: I used to work for SISU Ro-Ro tractors).

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 12:28:18 AM EST
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In Ireland the term is used to describe a kind of ship - a car/truck ferry where vehicles drive onto the ship rather than a container ship. Yes, port tractors can be employed instead - I don't know to what extent they are used in Ireland, but the vast majority of drivers - especially on the land-bridge across Wales/England - accompany their load and truck on the ferries.

As I said above, that may have to change with the much longer sailing times to Rotterdam. Some of the ships being put onto those longer routes are container ships.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 01:34:12 AM EST
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One complication may be if the load is carrying frozen or chilled food. I don't know whether container ships provide a power supply to keep the cooler running.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 01:36:00 AM EST
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Easier than solving the Irish backstop 😣
Refrigerated at -60 degr C

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 05:30:22 AM EST
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Thanks for this! I'm learning more about international logistics than I thought I would ever have to!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 08:02:27 AM EST
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If tractors and drivers accompanied their vehicles the ship would have to have facilities for the drivers to eat, use the toilet, etc. And drivers would have to be paid for their time in some way. This could be different from the two ship passages on a land-bridge route.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 04:03:46 AM EST
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