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I've been using the SeaRates site.  From what I can tell travel time will about double which in a JIT world doesn't matter all that much as long as the increase is consistent.  Don't know about travel costs.  

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by ATinNM on Sun Sep 1st, 2019 at 10:32:22 PM EST
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Ireland exports a lot of fresh and ready made food where travel time could be critical. I don't think Ireland is all that integrated into European JIT manufacturing processes. Costs would depend on how many competitors operate routes but there has to be some saving if Truck and driver don't accompany load. The new Cork Santander route has been a success, by all accounts, but it is actually a shorter sea route (1,000km) than Dublin Rotterdam (1,300km). Rosslare Le Havre, on the other hand, is only 750km.

Bloody England gets in the way. We need to chop off the lands end peninsula


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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 12:40:14 AM EST
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Goodness me, why go all the way to Le Havre? Unless your goods are travelling on to other maritime ports. If you're interested in just-in-time shipments to EU destinations, Brittany looks like an interesting option : Rosslare or Cork to Roscoff is quicker. Depends on final destination, and carrying capacity of the smaller ports. But I imagine there will be a lot of redeployment among the shipping companies, and they will come up with competitive offers.
Actually I can't imagine what cost advantage there could be in driving across the UK to get Irish goods to the Continent... ???


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by eurogreen on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 02:24:02 PM EST
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Cork Roscoff is 630Kn and Rosslare Roscoff is 540km. so offer a few hours saving on Le Havre. That said, last time I travelled the route (40 years ago!) the roads out of Rosscoff weren't great, especially for large container trucks.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 03:22:34 PM EST
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Snap! I did the same in 1980 (Roscoff to Cork) and the roads out of Cork didn't look wonderful for trucks either... Things have surely changed since then!

However, Roscoff can't compare in any way to Le Havre as a port.

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by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 04:46:38 PM EST
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I should add: there were trucks of fresh fish and shellfish going that route back then. West coast of Ireland - Cork - Roscoff - Parisian restaurants.

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Nothing you can measure anymore
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by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 04:49:11 PM EST
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I did Cherbourg-Rosslare and Rosslare-Roscoff more recently (2003 I think) and the infrastructure was fine :)

Gigantism is fashionable for sea freight. I'm not sure it's optimal for the modern world. Particularly for high-value or perishable goods, lower-volume networked distribution systems rather than integrated and centralised supply chains must surely have their place.

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by eurogreen on Tue Sep 3rd, 2019 at 09:15:42 AM EST
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Define "fresh"

For fresh-fresh even 10 hours is too long.  If Ireland does any of that they are already using air transportation.  

Otherwise, "fresh" is picked green and then frozen or refrigerated until put on the shelf at the grocers.

I would think all meat and poultry would be frozen.

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by ATinNM on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 05:23:28 PM EST
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Most meat and poultry sold in Ireland is not frozen and therefore suitable for home freezing. Air transport must add significantly to costs. I don't know to what extent it is used...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 08:46:27 PM EST
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I can't imagine exported meat is fresh.


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by ATinNM on Tue Sep 3rd, 2019 at 04:28:18 PM EST
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Irish lamb meat can be found in French grocery stores. And no, it's not frozen (that would be New Zealand lamb), but it must have traveled in refrigerated containers/trucks for a couple of days.
by Bernard on Tue Sep 3rd, 2019 at 08:32:36 PM EST
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No problem with that, meat is left to "mature" several days in cold store before sale anyway. 2-3 days for a lamb carcass, 2 weeks (or more) for a beef carcass.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
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by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 06:15:07 AM EST
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See how easy it is to lose one's mind?

One minute you're hacking off muscle from the rabbit you snared at 09:30 in your backyard for supper at 16:00. The next minute one's deliberating the "freshness" of refrigerated meat.

Who will think of the salt porkers? WHO?


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by Cat on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 03:57:21 PM EST
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Perhaps Cornwall and Devon will secede and petition to join with Ireland in the new Celtic United Commonwealth.
by rifek on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 09:16:29 PM EST
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