LQD - France to say "non" | 33 comments (33 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: LQD - France to say "non" (none / 0)

So you are saying that France would give Boris precisely what he wants, which is a no deal Brexit?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Sep 8th, 2019 at 10:32:36 PM EST

Re: LQD - France to say "non" (none / 0)

What they are saying is the nonsense has to stop. If that means a No Deal ... so be it; they'll deal with it.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Mon Sep 9th, 2019 at 02:56:43 PM EST
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With Bercow resigning Boris can get the Tories to elect a Speaker to run parliament as he sees fit. We are about to find out what Boris wants.

The coup d'etat marches on.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Mon Sep 9th, 2019 at 03:20:02 PM EST
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Re: LQD - France to say "non" (none / 0)

So far Boris cannot get a majority for anything. Bercow has NOT been the problem. There is a No-Hard-Brexit majority in Parliament, maybe a Remain majority.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Sep 9th, 2019 at 05:24:39 PM EST
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It only takes a majority to elect the speaker, which Boris should be able to manage. With Bercow out of the way and a Boris-friendly speaker in place BJ has total control over the HoC agenda.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Mon Sep 9th, 2019 at 07:10:39 PM EST
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Re: LQD - France to say "non" (none / 0)

Boris HAD a majority of 6, including the DUP. But then he effectively expelled twenty some Conservative rebels. So he is at least 14 votes short of a majority unless he gets help from other parties. Some of the Rebels may agree to a compromise choice, one thought to be impartial, if such a person exists, but if the nominee is a hardline Brexiteer I have my doubts. Perhaps those closer to the situation can clarify.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Sep 9th, 2019 at 08:03:39 PM EST
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Tradition is that the appointment is Tory one time, Labour the next. Since Bercow is (nominally) Tory, the next Speaker is likely to be Labour. Probables are Lindsay Hoyle (a current Deputy Speaker) or Chris Bryant. Both Labour.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Sep 10th, 2019 at 07:04:48 AM EST
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Boris is driving a bulldozer through tradition...

If he could muster a majority for a Tory toady speaker, he would. But he can't. So it will be a Labour MP.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Tue Sep 10th, 2019 at 08:56:30 AM EST
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TINO? (none / 0)

OMG. I was reading up on RUSSIA CAMPAIGN 2019 in the wee hours. The Federation finished regularly scheduled local and gubernatorial elections 8 Sep.

COME TO FIND OUT, from opposition presses hither and yon, all the candidates--even Navalny's "Smart Vote" vanguard-- are United Russia m-m-moles.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Sep 10th, 2019 at 02:50:57 PM EST
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Where Boris hit a wall is that he lost his majority. It is this fact that has changed the entire situation. He has been defeated on every motion he has presented, while the de facto majority have passed all theirs.

Bercow has timed his resignation so that it is the current Parliament, the one in which Boris can't manage to pull together a majority, that will vote for the new Speaker. Boris will be most unlikely to get himself a biddable Speaker.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Sep 10th, 2019 at 07:01:14 AM EST
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Re: LQD - France to say "non" (4.00 / 5)

Which is in fact the point of this - at every turn so far, Johnson has been acting with the strategic intelligence of a toddler.

"I don't like Parliament, I'm going to teach it a lesson" - he gets thousands out on the streets and appalls many in his own party.

"I don't like rebels, I'm going to teach them a lesson" - he nukes his own majority.

"I don't like Bercow, I'm going to teach him a lesson" - Bercow guarantees the next Speaker won't be any more pliant.

He's a political imbecile. He doesn't even have Trump's ironclad pathological narcissism. When his brother resigned he was apparently very upset.

So his next gambit will probably be "I don't like the law, I'm going to teach it a lesson."

And we'll see how that works out for him.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 10th, 2019 at 08:39:17 AM EST
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