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I can't speak for anyone else here, but I am well aware that my political views are one amongst a range of legitimate/rational/defensible options.

Also Brexit didn't shatter any illusions on my part - it confirmed my worst fears - I have been expecting a hard Brexit since day one, followed, in all probability by a trade war and a lot of other hostility between England and the EU, getting worse over a long period of time, and perhaps never getting any better.

If there are still historians around in 100 years time, they may be looking at the period of the UK's membership of the EU as a high point in its history, much to be preferred to the devastation wrought by wars, societal breakdown and climate change. YMMV. Good luck to you. I used to work in the UK and still have many friends there. I have absolutely no reason to wish you and them any harm, but look forward to the day you can no longer blame us in the EU for all your ills.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jan 31st, 2020 at 12:07:37 PM EST
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Frank: look forward to the day you can no longer blame us in the EU for all your ills.

Brexiters will always blame the EU. Always. Especially after a long and strenuous negotiation where the EU doesn't let the worthy Britons have their cake and eat it.

As I have written before, I fully expect the rhetoric to be increasingly aggressive and violent. The EU not giving to Britain's "reasonable proposals" will be the new Continental blocus, EU leaders equated to Napoleon and Hitler, Boris Johnson increasingly projecting himself as Winston Churchill's second coming. History abundantly shows that a fascist regime needs an external enemy to channel the populace's anger away from their worthy leaders.

by Bernard on Fri Jan 31st, 2020 at 04:12:22 PM EST
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I think we can be too sensitive about this. Of course Brexiteers will need someone else to blame but half way sane Britons will know the EU is now under no obligation to give the UK anything.

International trade negotiations are about bargaining and trade-offs, where both sides try to maximise their common interests and where the balance of power/market size matters.

In any case the Brexiteer ultras want a "clean break" whatever that is. It certainly cannot be construed as constituting an obligation on the EU to do anything other than maximising its own interests.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jan 31st, 2020 at 04:33:34 PM EST
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That would presuppose logic. And common sense.
by Bernard on Fri Jan 31st, 2020 at 09:09:39 PM EST
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Frankly, what many of the British people think - or what the tabloids tell them to think - doesn't matter any more, s far as the EU is concerned. That is the essence of losing power, which is what Brexit, in part, actually means.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jan 31st, 2020 at 09:46:46 PM EST
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Here in the US, Rethuglicans are still blaming Obama and Bill Clinton for everything up to and including the crucifixion of Jesus, and their base just gobbles it up with a big spoon.
by rifek on Fri Feb 7th, 2020 at 05:52:06 PM EST
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