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by Oui on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 04:46:51 AM EST
Iran: Ukrainian plane brought down 'due to human error' | PressTV |

Human Error: Iran admits shooting down Ukrainian airliner 'unintentionally' | The Guardian |

Ukraine's SBU considering two theories of UIA  plane crash in Iran | UNIAN |



Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 05:11:46 AM EST
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Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 07:33:49 AM EST
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Ukrainian plane was 'unintentionally' shot down, Iran says | CBC News |

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 07:41:28 AM EST
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EU willing to maintain Iran nuclear deal, risking rift with the US, 10 Jan
With the prospects of a potential US-Iran war fading, EU foreign minister during an emergency session on Friday (10 January), said they are willing to maintain the Iran nuclear deal as long as Tehran fullfils its commitments in order to achieve it.
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"The region cannot afford another war, we call for an urgent de-escalation and maximum restraint," EU's chief diplomat Josep Borrell told reporters following the meeting in Brussels on Friday, that had reaffirmed European commitments preserving the Joint Comprehensive Plan Of Action (JCPOA).
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"Iran can never acquire a nuclear weapon, it would be catastrophic for the Middle East," [US Special Representative for [?] Iran, Brian] Hook said. "Now that we are outside of the Iran nuclear deal, we are in a much better position to deny Iran a nuclear weapon.

"It allows us to then forcibly respond to Iran's regional aggression and that is what we have done with our sanctions," Hook added.

At the same time as EU FM's discuss how to support and preserve the Iran nuclear deal to avoid escalation, US says that they will sanction anyone using the EU #INSTEX mechanism for dealing with Iran. That's US sanctions against EU for having its own policy. Extraordinary.

    -- Carl Bildt (@carlbildt) January 10, 2020

Borrell has invited Iranian Foreign Minister Mohamed Javad Zarif for talks to Brussels, but a date for his visit has yet to be set.
hmm. Who's taking the "L"?
by Cat on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 04:25:17 PM EST
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"... risk a rift with Trump ..."

EU needs a medicine to grow a backbone ... it's been clear to me one can't appease a bully!

"Peace In Our Time"

See my new diary - A Last Warning

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by Oui on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 06:32:01 PM EST
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REUTERS | Iranian protesters demand that Khamenei quit over plane downing, 2 HR ago
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REUTERS | Iranian semi-official news agency reports anti-government protests, 1 HR ago
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REUTERS | Iran's handling of plane disaster sparks new challenge to rulers, 1 HR ago
Amid mounting public fury and international criticism, the belated admission of blame by Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards has squandered the national unity seen after the killing of the country's most influential commander in a U.S. drone strike in Iraq on Jan. 3 [4 GMT]
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That mood bodes ill for a parliamentary election in February, when Iran's rulers typically seek a high turnout to show their legitimacy even if the outcome will not change any major policy.
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Video clips on Twitter showed protesters in Tehran on Saturday chanting "Death to the dictator," a reference to Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. Reuters could not independently verify the footage.
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"This tragedy will not be forgotten nor is it easy to overcome for the population under sanctions and pressure not just from abroad but also from the state," said Sanam Vakil, Senior Research Fellow at Middle East and North Africa Program, Chatham House [UK]. "This incident is a stark reminder of the gaping lack of governance," said Vakil.
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Alongside the parliamentary vote, the elections on Feb. 21 will also choose members of the Assembly of Experts, a clerical body that in future will be responsible for selecting a successor to 80-year-old Khamenei.
FARS | Iranian Speaker Asks for Identification of Those Guilty in Ukrainian Plane Incident
Supreme Leader Orders Armed Forces to Seriously Deal with Faults, Flaws
PRESSTV | Ukraine's president wants Iran to 'punish' those responsible for plane crash
by Cat on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 07:17:44 PM EST
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So it took Iran a mere 2 days to admit that they were responsible. Not bad - it took Ukraine about a week in a similar case.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 07:35:32 PM EST
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Oh. MA Flight 17? That's an interesting case. NATO investors IDed the fall-guy pretty quick, but shure took time assembling official details.
by Cat on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 08:08:59 PM EST
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Of course not. Ukraine never admitted anything about that.  I was referring to Siberia 1812.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 08:11:17 PM EST
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My bad: That's what I get for following the money. $18B has been difficult for me to ignore.
by Cat on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 08:26:02 PM EST
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exhibit and thread
by Cat on Sun Jan 12th, 2020 at 01:38:08 AM EST
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by Cat on Sun Jan 12th, 2020 at 01:42:06 AM EST
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Which event broke the camel's back?

The IRGC Commander Soleimani assassination by Trump

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The IRGC mishap UIA-752 and the cover-up?

Placed in history and the psychology of the masses, ultimate hate between America, Israel and the founding of the Islamic Republic of Iran in 1979, there was NO other way these decisions were made by both the leaders of the US and Iran.

Iran is split in religious leader Khamanei, political Rouhani and the military IRGC. A systematic failure. The "retaliation" was one to calm the masses after the great Satan murdered their military leader, the mishap had to be covered-up, knowing very well the responsibility had to be taken at a later moment in time.

A Dutch expression: sitting in spagaat.

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Sun Jan 12th, 2020 at 06:25:14 AM EST
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I am not persuaded.

The more I read, the less so credible NATO explanations for any of these events which some intend to form constituents' agreement for unrestricted, punitive discipline for Iraq and Iran governments. Let us not discard yet again age-old presumptions of aggression, foisted by "western" civilization onto the "east." Reasonable observers should always premise their consent to utter failure of negotiated conflict with a question: What then is the objective of violence?

Categorical dispossession.

However, these explanations, erupting from WH propagandists, do not project internal consistency of either affect ("feelings", motive) or effects (means, capabilities) on to the subject (illegal or unlawful war, itself an absurd doctrine) and "persons of interest" (individual suspect perpetrators). Indeed, the introduction of so-called systematic features of these crimes into systemic opprobium ascribed by their "neighbors" to those states is late, too late, an after-thought.

After all the foregoing, suddenly, I am to understand that one commander in the IRGC--or whateverfucking brigade--was so incapacitated by fear, incapable by any means, of differentiating a BOEING 737 passenger aircraft from a missile?

That profound sacrifice of that individual for peace, so-called de-escalation--immediately rejected by US Americans--is unacceptable to me. I refuse to do the work of the deranged vanguard of liars who fervently believe they have inherited the earth from the misery of beseiged "protesters". The hell I'm having that.

by Cat on Sun Jan 12th, 2020 at 02:48:31 PM EST
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by Cat on Sun Jan 12th, 2020 at 04:54:53 PM EST
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by Cat on Sun Jan 12th, 2020 at 03:24:20 PM EST
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