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Whatever the end result, it's enormously disappointing that Trump attracted far more voters ... IS AMERICA LOST?

'I'm more enthusiastic now than in 2016': meet the voters standing by Donald Trump | The Guardian |

The "Blue" state of Pennsylvania will go to Trump with a Bigger win than in 2016 against Hillary ... just unbelievable. Outstanding mail-in ballots are 1.4 million, won't get Biden a majority as his deficit is 700K.

by Oui on Wed Nov 4th, 2020 at 09:06:56 AM EST
Pennsyltucky is not a "blue state" (if by this you infer affluent Atlantic metropolic) when one considers the legislature, graft, pederasty, foster home trafficking, and long, long history of race antagony.

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by Cat on Wed Nov 4th, 2020 at 10:03:31 AM EST
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Things are looking very bad right now in the Midwest with outstanding mail-in votes likely insufficient to turn things around for Biden. It may end up being that Arizona was an outlier in a clear Trump win.

At which point one has to wonder what's wrong with the US, what's wrong with the Democratic party, and what to do about four more years of Trump.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2020 at 11:04:58 AM EST
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The behavior of the American voter is beyond pale. According to CNN analysis Arizona has not been declared for Biden ... and Nevada is still in play for Trump. Nevertheless I'm still optimistic!
by Oui on Wed Nov 4th, 2020 at 11:33:36 AM EST
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We've always thought 35% of the country was a mob of oblivious, delusional imbeciles.  We now know it's closer to 50%.
by rifek on Sat Nov 14th, 2020 at 12:18:49 AM EST
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The proportion is demonstrably much greater than that every hour, every day that citizens and "noncitizens" express pervasive antisocial behaviors and dissociative personality disorders d/b/a "rational self-interested actor," epitomized by the agreement between Moscow Mitch and Constitutional Scholar Obama on reparations for descendants of US slaves, not to mention Ilhan Omar's admiration of Margaret Thatcher and continuing SARS-COv-2 "community spread". BIBLICAL.
by Cat on Sat Nov 14th, 2020 at 08:11:53 PM EST
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I mean, it feels completely inevitable. Of course Joe Biden, who has been failing at running for president for longer than I've been alive wouldn't suddenly win. Of course the mythical wealthy old racist suburburbian swing voters who voted straight Republican all their lives would not massively break D now.
by generic on Wed Nov 4th, 2020 at 01:19:54 PM EST
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Eh.  The suburbanites actually did break to Biden.

The Hispanic/Latino vote is where Biden fell way short.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2020 at 01:33:28 PM EST
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I haven't seen any suburbs broken out of data, but that doesn't look like a successful "lose one blue collar, win two suburbs" result to me;

by generic on Wed Nov 4th, 2020 at 02:42:37 PM EST
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This could all be true, of course, but I think people are taking these exit polls far too seriously.  I didn't even look at the exits last night.

Given the differences in how people are voting this year, I think it's highly questionable that Edison was about to get a good, properly-weighted sample.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2020 at 02:55:56 PM EST
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Sure, it's probably all bullshit at the moment. Today of all days is not a good time to start taking pols seriously.
by generic on Wed Nov 4th, 2020 at 04:13:32 PM EST
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Yeah, I think given the results in some areas (with some variance by state/region), we can say a few things:

1/ Trump made gains with Latino folks -- especially Cubans but also non-Cubans.

2/ Biden didn't get the gains he needed with seniors.

3/ Biden roughly hit expectations in the suburbs.

How big those shifts were nationwide is tough to tell:  For example, Trump seems to have managed double-digit shifts along the border in Texas with Latino folks, Biden seems to have managed double-digit shifts in the suburbs and exurbs of Atlanta.  In other places, the shifts seem more muted.

Beyond that, I don't think we can say a whole lot about the demographic movements.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2020 at 04:20:22 PM EST
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With the amount of early vote and mail-I   vote and the correlation of those with Democratic vote, I don't think exit polls are very reliable this time around.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2020 at 06:04:00 PM EST
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what's wrong with the US

The two party system makes it easy to shut out any real alternatives and the combination of that and imperial power and the money slushing into the system creates politics for the oligarchs.

what's wrong with the Democratic party

I would say a party establishment that uses primaries not to find strong candidates but instead to shut out internal opponents and install trusted operatives who may be bad at winning elections but can be counted on to tow a neo-liberal, pro-empire, nothing-will-change party line. Vote us! Republicans are worse!

And since this strategy failed in 2016 they have used a racist conspiracy theory to create an echo-chamber, mirroring that of the Fox-news-addicted republicans where any day now the Whitewater documents long form birth certificate next bombshell will appear and get rid of the illegitimate president, who is after all a Dirty hippie Kenyan muslim Russian puppet and not the True presidentTM

Combined with the need to please the donors, the echo-chamber led to a strategy where going after republicans looked like a very sensible strategy. But 93% of republicans voted Trump according to the exit polls, up from 90% in 2016.  So if Biden wins, the strategy was still flawed.

by fjallstrom on Thu Nov 5th, 2020 at 03:22:10 PM EST
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