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Does Ireland require a referendum?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Dec 24th, 2020 at 06:28:56 PM EST
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I don't know.

Frank has previously written they might.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Thu Dec 24th, 2020 at 06:32:24 PM EST
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No word on that. It all depends on whether the Treaty goes beyond the powers already ceded to the EU in previous referenda. I wouldn't be surprised if Sinn Féin or other interested persons launched a High Court Action to demand a referendum, if the detail can be said to have departed from the Good Friday Agreement.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Dec 24th, 2020 at 06:33:20 PM EST
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In private the Sinn Fein must be jumping up and down with glee and popping champagne corks at the mess NI Unionists are facing.  NI is cut off from England by the Irish Sea border.  NI will lose EU CAP and other subsidies.  It would be hard to come-up with a worse result for the Unionists. DUP simply has to vote against agreement.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Thu Dec 24th, 2020 at 06:46:46 PM EST
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There is another way of looking at it.

The peace process was achieved and has survived so long because the Good Friday agreement guaranteed "equality of esteem" for those who aspired to Irish unity and those who aspired to British union, and was conceived in the context of both Ireland and the EU being in the EU and of national borders and differences becoming ever less significant in the context of "an ever closer union."

In that context 56% of the people of N. Ireland voted to remain in the EU. Instead, with Brexit, they are out of the EU and its ever closer union between states.

What they get instead is a free trade deal on goods, some regulatory alignment, and a customs union with the EU.

Nothing on services, and everything else the EU stands for is gone. No Fundamental Charter on Human rights, no recourse to the ECJ. As the UK and EU diverge in the future, so too will N. Ireland and Ireland. Erasmus is gone too unless N. Ireland citizens opt for Irish citizenship. and apply through the Irish scheme.

So basically a unionist minority got the Brexit they wanted bar some compromises on trade in goods - which is a far cry from equality of esteem in all its respects guaranteed under the GFA. Instead there will be all sorts of divergences between the rights of Irish and British citizens in the North.

So I don't count this as a win for anyone in the North - just another element in a long, slow and painful economic and political decline.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Dec 26th, 2020 at 07:32:00 PM EST
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