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tbh I think there's an opportunity here for Ireland to win. Yes, I think that you're gonna have to gloss over the change in the Constitutional arrangment of Ulster because it seems quite evident to most of the UK that the divergence of Ulster from the UK is going to be far greater than than from Ireland.
Ulster really has gotten out from under. Great Britain has jumped off a cliff and managed to not drag Ulster down with it.
Ulster Unionism  has only thrived on the basis of the economic advantage for the protestant population of allegiance to Westminster. But now the economic advantage goes the other way.
Sure, there will be the fanatics, the "Identity British" who will never accept, but most people aren't like that. Given a choice of an economy that's growing over the one that is imploding, most Ulster people are gonna vote with their wallets.
Maybe not in 2021, but by 2023 most of the 6 counties are gonna be begging to be let into the house of sanity.
I just don't see what the problem is, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Brexit could enable the righting of a terrible wrong.


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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 27th, 2020 at 05:24:33 PM EST
Agree. Better to focus on joining NI to Ireland than to keep arguing the already-lost Brexit case.
by asdf on Sun Dec 27th, 2020 at 05:44:36 PM EST
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No one in Ireland is trying to re-litigate the pros and cons of Brexit. The question is how the fall-out can be best managed.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Dec 27th, 2020 at 05:52:21 PM EST
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Thanks for your insight Helen. Personally I don't see a United Ireland in the next 10 years, come what economic carnage that may come. The divisions are much more deep rooted than that, and it doesn't take a lot of people to mount a terrorist campaign.

I don't think most unionists yet realise just how dis-engaged most Brexteers are with the union of Britain & N. Ireland except in a purely ideological and symbolic way. It will take the £10 Billion p.a. economic subsidy to come under threat for them to realise this.

And even then Ireland would have to come up with a credible plan for how that £10 Billion will be replaced and how any new political arrangements will be to everyone's benefit. This is all doable but requires a lot of vision, hard work and good will on all sides which may not be available in the short term.

Given the choice between the devil they know (the status quo) and some uncertain future, a majority will always opt for the status quo. The challenge is to create a vision of the future almost everyone can believe will be better. I don't see many people working on that atm.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Dec 27th, 2020 at 05:50:49 PM EST
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what status quo?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 27th, 2020 at 06:49:13 PM EST
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The status quo established by the NI protocol of the Withdrawal Agreement and the EU UK FTA.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Dec 27th, 2020 at 07:04:37 PM EST
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yes, but that particular status quo is exactly the one that is will prise ulster away from great Britain.
The status quo ante was membership of the UK, looking to Westminster. However, being separated by customs barriers for an increasingly disinterested Westminster which will have many more urgent problems closer to home to deal with.
Over time, London will simply expect Dublin to step up and Belfast will look that way as well.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 27th, 2020 at 09:12:24 PM EST
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It is remarkable the degree to which unionists look to Dublin to solve their problems, even now, while lambasting Dublin in the net breath. No one does cognitive dissonance like an Ulster unionist!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Dec 27th, 2020 at 11:34:37 PM EST
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