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Ah, "the historic ties between us", that old chestnut.

Like the historic ties between Britain and the USA or between France and Algeria: the ties between a former colonial power and a colonized country that fought a bitter independence war for getting rid of such "ties".

by Bernard on Thu Dec 31st, 2020 at 06:33:56 PM EST
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One might hypothesize that New Zealand is one of the most Anglophilic countries out there, so perhaps they would be pretty enthusiastic about the UK taking back control.

But reports on the Radio New Zealand site suggests that their agricultural exports will be damaged by the pre-defined quota split between EU and UK. Most of their trade is with Australia, China, the US, and Japan. And their main geopolitical concern seems to be trying to balance relations between China, Australia, and the US.

It appears that in New Zealand, whether the UK is in or out of the EU is of tertiary interest at best.

by asdf on Thu Dec 31st, 2020 at 07:21:21 PM EST
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Speaking from NZ: yes. Beyond a few English nationalist immigrants (or "expats" as they call themselves), the UK is an irrelevancy to us. Unimportant, overarmed, chiefly notable for the problems it causes, the sort of country we try and avoid. And as a country keen on free trade and free movement (when there's not a pandemic on), leaving the EU just seems like a colossal act of self-sabotage.
by IdiotSavant on Thu Dec 31st, 2020 at 09:51:32 PM EST
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Out of curiosity, if the EU offered New Zealand full membership of the Single Market and Customs Union, would NZ be inclined to accept? I appreciate that has never been seen as a real possibility.


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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Jan 2nd, 2021 at 11:59:36 AM EST
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The EU is one of New Zealand's most important and active partners in the Pacific.

Wouldn't NZ a bit too Socialist to fit in present day capitalistic and populist driven E-27? Geez ... the Anglo-Saxon tribe wouldn't have it.

by Oui on Sat Jan 2nd, 2021 at 12:17:05 PM EST
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The anglo-saxon tribe where amongst the most marketista in the EU when they were in it! I'm asking about membership of the Single Market and Customs Union, not full political membership!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Jan 2nd, 2021 at 01:58:05 PM EST
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As in a trading relationship in which NZ farmers got to export all the milk and butter they wanted? Like a shot.

Obviously, there is more to it than that: regulations, common standards etc. But NZ is used to that sort of thing in its FTAs, and NZ farmers are awfully good at getting NZ politicians to swallow anything to give them a bigger market. And the broad alignment of values with the EU means the actual FTA we are negotiating has so far avoided the controversy such deals usually attract (probably because, thanks to the ECJ, there will be no ISDS clause. Thanks, ECJ!) (would being subject to the ECJ be an issue, given the hatred of ISDS clauses? Less so, I think, because its a real court, with a real and long established body of law, not just rich people going "wah wah government did something I don't like pay me all the imaginary money I thought I'd make if law and society didn't exist". Its not seen as undermining democracy or being opposed to the existence of legislatures in the same way that ISDS "tribunals" are).

by IdiotSavant on Sat Jan 2nd, 2021 at 10:26:41 PM EST
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"Here come the Hercules.  Here come the submarines.  Sinking South Pacific dreams."
by rifek on Sun Jan 17th, 2021 at 04:22:56 AM EST
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