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The blame game is beginning of course. I don't however understand the need for remainer self flagellation, self sabotage really. 'Bloody victims!' as they would say here.

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Schengen is toast!
by epochepoque on Tue Dec 8th, 2020 at 12:23:51 PM EST
Labour has been spineless on this all the way along, although the Liberals were even worse and deserve to be consigned to history. Keir Starmer is even reported to be prepared to support whatever deal Boris comes back with - consigning Labour to irrelevance for the next few years, at least.

When will these guys get the message that in a democracy the duty of the opposition is to oppose the government, especially when the government is thrashing their core beliefs? Now Labour will be in no position to blame the government in the omnishambles that will ensue, they have become complicit in the process.

If the Labour leadership had had any principles, it would have opposed Brexit even after the referendum which they could legitimately claim had been a fraud. Even if you except the result, there is no shame in sticking to your principles and arguing for a second referendum on the shape of the final deal, on the basis that it is only then that the final shape of Brexit has been determined.

It happens in trade union negotiations all the time - a vote of the principle of going on strike for better terms, and then a vote on the terms of any agreement. Only a second referendum has the democratic status to undo or modify the the results of the first. But Labour were slow to support it and the Liberals too snobbish to support Labour when they finally came around to it.

They could have split the Brexit vote between the Brexit party and the Tories, and consigned one or other to history.  But that's all done now. It is they who have become an irrelevance, and Boris who calls all the shots. It doesn't matter how much damage Brexit will do now, so long as the Tory party and its funders can blame someone else. Labour will now become the useful idiots to take that blame, no doubt.

Anyone who claims the British people in 2016 voted for the train wreck that is about to happen over the next 10 years is deluded. They were misled in the worst possible way, and Labour has become complicit. And there is now no going back. The EU have done with the UK, come what may, relieved they are gone, and will consign some junior officials the thankless task of tidying up loose ends as they arise.

If anything the EU will have emerged the stronger, released from the thankless task of appeasing those who never believed in its ideals in the first place. If the EU fail to agree on the implementation of the budget and recovery plan at this summit, they can always look to their united position on the Brexit negotiations as proof that the Union can still work.

For once, it may be the dynamics of maintaining EU cohesion - rather than appeasing Brexiteers - that will have determined the outcome. Economically, no deal may be crazy, but politically we have come to the point where it might work better for the EU than even for the Brexiteers.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Dec 8th, 2020 at 01:02:55 PM EST
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The blame game was the main event all along. And I'd say it's absolutely necessary to have continuity remain own up to their failure. After all it's not an overstatement that the UK is going to fall ass over head out of all their trading arrangements,because the vast majority of editors and MPs went to university together and they couldn't accept the idea of one of those people getting to be PM for even a week. Remember, once the Labour party had accepted all of People's Vote's demands and offered to implement them in a caretaker government the response was basically this:

All the sensibles™ decided that the only way to stop disaster was to vote third party in a two party system where one of those parties had already committed to meeting all your demands. Of course there's nothing to learn from that, there was nothing to be done and they are all heroes.

by generic on Tue Dec 8th, 2020 at 01:55:38 PM EST
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I will never understand the opposition agreeing to a snap election with the Faragists doing the bidding of their donors. It was obvious they were going to be demolished. Their only chance was a joint campaign in a referendum which required Corbyn to be PM for a few weeks with no mandate to do anything else. Jo Swinson will go down in history as the nobody who managed to do great harm.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Dec 8th, 2020 at 03:04:40 PM EST
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The LDs are closet Tory enablers. That's been their role ever since the days of the "centrist" SDP.

That's why they were never going to agree to Corbyn as a temporary PM. It's also why they hyped themselves as the Party of RemainTM - because it took advantage of a strategic split within Labour.

The LD leadership has never, ever been honest about its true intent and positioning. Clegg ran a similar scam when he went from being a "Privatise everything" Orange Book contributor to "I will never, ever raise tuition fees and I'm also a safe choice as a non-Tory" in the run up to 2010 to "Now that we're in coalition it is with great regret and deep sadness that I have to announce that I support raising tuition fees."

And so on. There's also video of Vince Cable looking not particularly upset about the result of the referendum, and Clegg writing for the FT that a soft Brexit would be fine - while the LDs were trying to sell their "We Are Remain" shtick.

It's hard to imagine just how corrupt and cynical the lies and manipulations have been. The point was always to get Brexit over the line, to keep it there, and to destroy the British Labour left. And no lie was too big along the way.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Dec 8th, 2020 at 03:30:35 PM EST
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Just an astonishing number of bad faith actors all around.

by generic on Tue Dec 8th, 2020 at 06:39:48 PM EST
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Every time either the US or UK sets a new low bar for corrupt crony crapitalism, the other says, "Hold my beer."
by rifek on Thu Dec 17th, 2020 at 03:14:34 PM EST
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