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The US has been moving, step by step, away from the original republican system for quite a while. There's lots of enthusiasm for popularly elected presidents, for example.

The entire system will require re-work when the climate catastrophe becomes obvious enough.

65 degrees F in Antarctica isn't enough, though, apparently...

by asdf on Sat Feb 8th, 2020 at 01:11:23 AM EST
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The US has been moving, step by step, away from the original republican system. The very one that consumed its junior partners in Greece.

I say again. Let Walter Scheidel draw you a picture. Your challenge, evidently, is to describe how the US Congress (1789-present) has not recreated the Roman republic --its social structures, legal institutions, Ponzi economy, cliens, protector(ates), patroni, and coloniae among the ahh united nations.

Waiting for the entire system to re-work--by WHOM?--when the climate catastrophe becomes obvious enough--to WHOM?--a strange proposition, somewhat antithetical to shady principles of Enlightenment which have seized the imaginations of doctrinaire liberals for several centuries.

By which "systemic" -ism would you prefer to address human civitas after the next crisis? Polis state has a ring to it, yes?

by Cat on Sat Feb 8th, 2020 at 02:43:18 AM EST
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I'm pretty sure the original US system was not a clone of the Roman republic.
by asdf on Sat Feb 8th, 2020 at 04:12:35 PM EST
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The founders had read Gibbon. They were aware of the problems present in the Roman state and provided some institutions, hopefully, to prevent the recurrence of those problems. The most significant difference was a written and ratified constitution. The Roman Republic had an unwritten constitution.

The second difference was that institutional tension was formally built into the system. Each of the three branches was reasonably well defined and each had its own prerogatives which each could be expected to defend. The weakness of that system has turned out to be exactly what the founders feared - extreme factional partisanship.

They could have been more explicit in defining norms of public behavior. This should, IMO, have been included in the Preamble, stating explicitly that elected officials, during their tenure, serve the public and the public interest and that serving personal interests through the power of their offices was grounds for immediate removal by impeachment. As it is at least half of the US electorate does not seem to apprehend the requirement. Public service in the public interest should have been enshrined as the highest public virtue.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Feb 8th, 2020 at 05:23:59 PM EST
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by Cat on Sun Feb 9th, 2020 at 03:14:20 PM EST
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Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Feb 14th, 2020 at 11:55:10 PM EST
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I voted for Flowers over Chris Van Ho in '16. How about you?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Feb 14th, 2020 at 11:57:27 PM EST
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