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UK government's coronavirus advice - and why it gave it - Guardian

Caveat my limited understanding, but the UK government's advice contains a lot of reasons or reasoning why radical distancing measures may not be as effective. Take for instance school closures, they say the kids will socialize anyway. Yes maybe but only cliques and friends and not daily. The people who don't socialize outside of school won't and that has, according to studies of the 1917/8 pandemic in the US, much value. I understand the majority opinion is that clamping down aggressively and early is of extreme value. It's the only mitigation measure that makes the exponential growth controllable and the peak significantly lower. Each day earlier can supposedly save hundreds of lives. It's a one-time opportunity. Later on these measures are not as useful.

Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now - Tomas Pueyo - Medium

I really hope the confidence of the UK government in the advice that the measures are only 5%-15% effective each and so on is justified. BTW the studies also found that a combination of measures are even most successful, e.g. closing schools AND venues.

And I hope that somehow the peak will appear in three months time as calculated and things will be manageable till then. I think "public fatigue" and flare ups after the initial clampdown are more manageable problems than what's currently happening in Italy. We will have to look at what will happen in China, Hongkong, Taiwan, Korea as to how well post-peak management works. So when the advisors of the UK gov say they are four weeks behind Italy, are they seeing themselves following the same path? Surely not, or...?!

If things turn out as bad as in Italy it would be a cruel irony for Trump's travel exemption for the UK.

Unless a vaccine is found early enough, a majority of people (60-70%) will eventually get it and then herd immunity kicks in. The difference is whether it happens in a few months which would be apocalyptic or if it happens over a stretch of two or more years which would be manageable. The current 'bad' news from a leading modeling group is that the summer months will not bring as much relief as hoped for and the epidemic will be ongoing througout this year and into the next year. This scenario could of course change. But it seems that our social lives will be seriously impacted till at least the end of the year. Which makes me worry about how I can protect my older relatives during that stretch.

Schengen is toast!

by epochepoque on Thu Mar 12th, 2020 at 11:07:09 PM EST
Also, close the pubs.

https://staythefuckhome.com

Schengen is toast!

by epochepoque on Thu Mar 12th, 2020 at 11:15:07 PM EST
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a perfect world. Under "free range," ultra-liberal social conditions (with or without weapons), not so much. Update on Ring Vaccination


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Mar 13th, 2020 at 01:22:24 AM EST
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Given there are only 9 clusters so far in Ireland, ring vaccination would be a useful tool. If we had a vaccine.

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Mar 13th, 2020 at 11:07:33 AM EST
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Excellent comment, worthy of a front page diary in itself.

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Mar 13th, 2020 at 11:04:36 AM EST
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Actually, the whole post from Tomas Pueyo is a must-read: It contains a good analysis of the few statistics we have available, mostly from China, making allowance to the fact that many figures, like death rates, cannot be computed precisely yet so wide range estimates.

Useful reminders as to why social isolation, and doing it early, is so crucial for the rate of spreading, the strain on the health care facilities and ultimately the death count. There are useful statistics for the "Spanish flu" of 1917-1918.

Living in the Paris area, I'm on remote work for a number of days now - not everyone can afford that.

Oh, and another point discussed there: the virus may have spread first in Italy, than Spain, France and Germany! this could be due to the fact they are favorite tourist destinations, including tourists from China (whereas the Salisbury cathedral and its famous spire is favored by Russian tourists - well know fact). But it's only a matter of time, one to two weeks, before other European countries reach the same situation, including the British isles: only strict social isolation and quarantine can slow the spreading now.

by Bernard (bernard) on Fri Mar 13th, 2020 at 07:33:25 PM EST
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Thanks for recommending. The key take away is:
The coronavirus is coming to you.
It's coming at an exponential speed: gradually, and then suddenly.
It's a matter of days. Maybe a week or two.
When it does, your healthcare system will be overwhelmed.
Your fellow citizens will be treated in the hallways.
Exhausted healthcare workers will break down. Some will die.
They will have to decide which patient gets the oxygen and which one dies.
The only way to prevent this is social distancing today. Not tomorrow. Today.
That means keeping as many people home as possible, starting now.

As a politician, community leader or business leader, you have the power and the responsibility to prevent this.



Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Mar 14th, 2020 at 10:34:25 AM EST
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According to reliable sources, patient 0 in Italy was contaminated during a conference in Munich at the end of January as were several German attendees. I have been unable to find references to this episode from that period but then I don't speak German. Bavarian medical authorities were aware of it, identified the German patients and apparently kept it under wraps. In the meantime, the Italian patient travelled far and wide spreading the disease.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Mar 16th, 2020 at 12:23:59 AM EST
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