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The problem from day 1 has been that we are dealing with a novel corona virus which also mutates rapidly. The clinical and epidemiological implications of which were largely unknown, and we are still learning. You say are still undecided about mandatory vaccination for the staff. Our public health authorities didn't have the luxury of prevaricating for so long.

So yes, mRNA technology is new. The vaccines haven't been tested exhaustively on all sorts of demographics, pre-existing conditions, and potential drug interactions. We know little or nothing about long Covid.

In Ireland the public health advice was confused and sometimes downright wrong. Public health officials initially opposed mask mandates - saying the public wouldn't know how to wear, handle and dispose of masks properly in the first place.

Antigen testing was opposed until very recently. Now it is almost replacing PCR testing as a first line of defence - despite a widely sold brand of antigen test becoming notorious for false positives. (It ruined our extended family Christmas).

There is still a lack of emphasis on air conditioning/filtration/plasma screening ventilation systems.

But it's all very well individuals becoming virologists overnight and making conscientious decisions for themselves and their families. Public health officials and governments have to make decisions for society as a whole, and that means assessing the balance of risks. No solution is perfect.

Once you take the Chinese total lockdown solution off the table, you are talking about pandemic management, trying to reduce the overall level of harm, trying to optimise the medical capacities you have or can develop.

It's not an exact science. Its almost like fighting a war: making rushed decisions under duress which might have been different had you had months of data to consider your options.


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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 10:07:03 PM EST
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You can boost as often you want, as long as you let planes fly, you will spread and create new variants that you will reimport again.
by Tom2 on Thu Jan 20th, 2022 at 10:48:07 AM EST
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And something like that may well be the end game - an annual or 6 monthly jab optimised for the latest Covid variant much like the current Flu jab - which I have never taken, but may have to re-evaluate.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jan 20th, 2022 at 11:40:12 AM EST
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And the freedom to spread covid to the rest of the world of course. Enjoy!
by Tom2 on Thu Jan 20th, 2022 at 12:16:49 PM EST
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If it were possible to eliminate to Covid virus completely, then I'm all for it. We are now producing enough vaccines to inoculate the entire world, but in many places the infrastructure to transport, preserve, dispense to the entire population is lacking. Doesn't mean we should stop trying.

But failing that, unless you want an indefinite lockdown and ban on all travel we are going to have to live with a level of the disease, and the trick is to to contain it as much as possible and within health care capacity while opening up society as much as possible. Travellers have been spreading disease since forever. It's up to each country to decide how much or whether they should curtail international travel.

Hats off to Australia for expelling Djokovic. They may have made a mess of the process, but the principle that you are a guest of a foreign country and staying at their discretion stands. So no, I don't believe we have the freedom to spread covid around the world.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jan 20th, 2022 at 08:08:44 PM EST
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archived repatriations
by Cat on Thu Jan 20th, 2022 at 11:10:46 PM EST
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As a general rule, Cat, a comment should be intelligible in its own right. Links are there to provide supporting evidence or further reading for those who want it. Your comment says nothing and your link is just to the generic newsroom page, and I haven't a clue what part of that long discussion may be of relevance to the point you want to make.

So as a general rule I ignore such comments. But I also think it is a discourtesy to our readers to splurge undigested links about the place. Say what you have to say in the comment and by all means link to a single other comment or story which supports, reinforces or expands on your point. Otherwise you are just increasing the noise to signal ratio and wasting people's time.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jan 20th, 2022 at 11:57:40 PM EST
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Travellers have been spreading disease since forever.

The link is to multiple instances, but not all instances, of repatriation flights from and between Asia, EU, and GB in the first quarter of pandemic, before "lock-downs," when quarantine and testing protocols were not encouraged or well reported.

by Cat on Fri Jan 21st, 2022 at 02:30:33 PM EST
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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jan 21st, 2022 at 10:25:11 PM EST
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Samoa goes into lockdown after 15 Australians test positive
The [15] infected passengers were among 73 who arrived from Brisbane on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Fiame Naomi Mata'afa also said Saturday the government may cancel further flights from Australia. A scheduled flight from New Zealand on Saturday has already been postponed, according to Radio New Zealand. All the passengers were reportedly fully vaccinated and had tested negative for COVID-19 before departure [at AU port].
American Samoa [a US "possession"] also has 18 cases, all of them travelers from Hawaii on Hawaiian Airlines flights from Honolulu. The latest group of seven who tested positive arrived Jan 6. There is no lockdown in American Samoa and flights between Honolulu and Pago Pago continue on limited basis.

Omicron spreads in New Zealand, spoiling PM's wedding plans
AP ethical parameters
by Cat on Sun Jan 23rd, 2022 at 04:14:24 PM EST
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