Mandatory vaccination | 180 comments (180 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

A Role Model ... (4.00 / 2)

Many more nations will legislate for a mandate due to the pandemic and public health. There is sufficient data to show the vaccines are safe and catching the Covid-19 virus is not - see data Alberta, Canada.

The only waiver should be for health reasons of personal nature and very tight religious exemption. Tough rules as with the draft during the Vietnam War.

There are exemplary nations who have upped the double vaccination rate above 90%. For some strange turn of events, for the booster jab necessary for the Omicron variant in The Netherlands, less than half under 60 years old have come forward.

The students and young adults who crave for social mixing have the toughest time to get through these times which is understandable.

Just a small percentage of unvaccinated persons living in clusters will perpetuate the pandemic and force the government to stricter rules and shut down shops and business. So called biting oneself in the butt.

In press briefings, reporters ask stupid questions which obfuscate clear arguments for rules. Sometimes politicians take the lead in ignorance .. Trump, Bolsonaro, Johnson and Rutte. Have learned a bit about society of Denmark, solidarity a great starting point to fight the pandemic.

Statement - We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity | Copenhagen - March 19, 2020 |

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 03:16:01 PM EST

Is this a joke? (4.00 / 2)

Tough rules as with the draft during the Vietnam War.

by Cat on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 03:22:50 PM EST
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Re: Is this a joke? (none / 0)

Religious Exemption: now and then | dKos |

High risk to use any comparison ... more often goes lame.

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 04:43:18 PM EST
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< wipes tears > (none / 1)

"sincerely held religious belief" < squint > OR a YUGE wad of cash, Mr Cheney?

Exemptions and Enrollments

by Cat on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 08:50:46 PM EST
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#MeToo Revelations 39:1050 (none / 0)

Dr. Drop Your Drawers

He also allegedly traded sexual favors for letters to send to Vietnam-era draft boards establishing men as homosexual and thus making them eligible for a draft deferment.

by Cat on Thu Jan 20th, 2022 at 02:12:30 PM EST
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Re: A Role Model ... (none / 0)

I don't understand why the unvaxxed became the problem when some countries, including South Korea and Japan, initially considered vaccinating only the elderly and the at risk on a voluntary basis, that is to say, there is no scientific reason why the unvaccinated should be a more dangerous pool than colonies in animals (as in 'mink farms' and else; or even in zoos, cf.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/08/snow-leopard-dies-covid-19-illinois-zoo), or again, tourists returning from a place where the wave is only at its beginning.
Some research throughout the epidemy has noticed that the superspreaders were actually quite few in comparison to the infected people. That's maybe why very few countries did serious contact tracing (Belgium is one).

by Tom2 on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 06:57:20 PM EST
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Re: A Role Model ... (none / 1)

Japan has relied pretty extensively on contact tracing, especially in the early days of the epidemic. The Japanese government was also paralyzed by the thought of losing the Olympics, and did everything it could to put up a smokescreen regarding its slowness to begin a vaccination campaign. They didn't have the vaccines, and didn't have a plan to distribute them, and pretended that the problem was "vaccine hesitancy." But lo and behold, the moment vaccines became available the demand was overwhelming, and Japan quickly went from being a worldwide laggard in vaccine deployment to being a high percentage country.

by Zwackus on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 06:10:48 AM EST
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Re: A Role Model ... (none / 1)

"the booster jab necessary for the Omicron variant in The Netherlands"
The booster jab is not mandatory in the Netherlands; it was not advertised as related to Omicron but was launched when Israeli studies revealed that the vaccine protection was waning after 6 months for all group ages but more dramatically for elderly populations (which NL has). This study was published in Israel last summer and it provoked their Booster campaign (not the 4th jab).
The US is still dealing with Delta, even though Omicron is now prevalent but the speed of diffusion in the US is much slower than in EU countries, due to size. During the first wave it followed the highways out of NY.

by Tom2 on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 09:46:32 PM EST
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Re: A Role Model ... (none / 0)

The booster jab is not mandatory in the Netherlands; it was not advertised as related to Omicron but was launched when Israeli studies revealed that the vaccine protection was waning after 6 months for all group ages but more dramatically for elderly populations (which NL has).

Total bull.

See timeline of my diaries for past 24 months on this topic. I will not repeat myself. By chance the Dutch and the EU-26 have their own scientists and production facilities for vaccines.

Yes indeed, the Dutch have a very healthy group of elderly who are amongst the top in global longevity. We have excellent universal healthcare and are active in family life and society at an advanced age.

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 10:18:36 PM EST
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EU-26? (none / 0)

Have we lost another member while I was not watching? 😀

by Bernard (bernard) on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 10:35:55 PM EST
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Re: EU-26? (none / 0)

The Dutch and EU26 = 27?

Index of Frank's Diaries

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 10:12:08 AM EST
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Re: A Role Model ... (none / 1)

https:/www.rivm.nl/covid-19-vaccinatie/vragen-achtergronden/boostervaccinatie
It is not mandatory, that is all I said. It was finally made available in November, later than Israel and that France of course, but since the vaccination campaign in NL had been one of the latest, it was still 6 month after most ppl were jabbed.
JenJ are obliged to take mRNA up to now, in spite of the Sisonke trial in SA, which used JenJ booster (same product, reinjected again, not a different composition)
https:/www.gezondheidsraad.nl/over-ons/documenten/adviezen/2021/12/24/inzet-vaccin-van-janssen-als- booster
I agree that the Dutch are healthy. Among the +70 ppl I know, I don't know anyone who caught covid or even who knows anyone who had it here. But in the Bible belt it is another story. Those get exemptions for everything, they had their congregations go on in the same churches were concerts have been forbidden since mid December (and still are). Apparently they might get exemption from vaccination on religious ground as well (I suspect this last point is just a rumour).

by Tom2 on Mon Jan 17th, 2022 at 10:49:28 PM EST
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