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It will be interesting to see the fallout from the various anti-vaccination laws that are currently popular. If they are narrowly written to apply only to SARS-CoV-2, then when the next virus comes out--with a slightly different ID--the laws will be obsolete. If they are broadly written, then people will claim that they don't need to get their kids vaccinated against polio, and in a few years there will be a polio (or measles, or whooping cough, etc.) epidemic.

Also one might question what it is about the COVID vaccine that triggers this surge of enthusiasm for "right to consent" re-evaluation. Given that mandatory vaccination has been in place globally for several decades, there is something special about the COVID vaccine; what is it? (The obvious answer is politics, but one cannot accept the argument that vaccination is being politicized, right?)

by asdf on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 04:01:05 PM EST
We did have measles outbeaks thanks to anti-vaxers just a few years before COVID (Orthodox Jews in NY, Yuppies in Marin county, M5S in Italy etc.). And polio is coming back, thanks to Obama.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 04:25:19 PM EST
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pandemic preparedness covered that exercise?
by Cat on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 03:12:37 PM EST
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what is special is that we are still using them under special authorizations and that they have not been tested long enough.
by Tom2 on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 12:32:32 PM EST
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The Pfizer vaccine got full approval from the FDA (in the US, obviously) last summer.
by asdf on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 03:43:57 PM EST
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Great, now we're got the hard core ignorant hick anti-vaxer's showing up.

Dear little Tommy --

Please state the title of your Ph.d. thesis and the name of your principal advisor as well as your experience in pharmaceutical, biological, or biochemical research.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 04:25:24 PM EST
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Be nice!
by asdf on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 05:23:18 PM EST
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I'm not anti-vaxx. I got the 1 jab vax and now I don't want an mRNA booster, although this is the only thing on offer where I live. By the way, where I live the booster is not mandatory, and since the WHO itself said yesterday they don't see the use of boosters on young people (despite the fact every parents with kids at school know that children and young adults studying have been among the larger spreaders at each single wave), I don't see why I should enrol in an experiment (I received a paper stating I was, after taking the 1 jab vax, because it was being removed from other countries offer after some complications).
This means I am persona non grata in France since 15/12 unless I take a paying test. There is no study that proves I can infect anyone because I am not boosted. Having had palpitation issues for many years (even with just one expresso), I don't feel like playing Russian roulette, sorry. I do not understand either why tourists with Sinovac can visit Schengen but I am not allowed to ask for Sinovac. When these kind of opacities will be removed, I will consider the issue. For now I am a citizen banned from his own country (I don't have the money to afford paying tests all the time, and you would admit that visiting a country without any possibility to go out is a bit... harsh).
by Tom2 on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 08:21:55 PM EST
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Are you in the US? (That's what your User info says) Originally from France?
by Bernard (bernard) on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 09:03:40 PM EST
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I prefer to avoid this kind of discussions. Please let me be wherever I want.
by Tom2 on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 09:06:07 PM EST
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OK. You just happened to make references to "where I live" and that you are "persona non grata in France" (as opposed to Belgium? Italy?). I was trying to understand your point.
by Bernard (bernard) on Thu Jan 20th, 2022 at 09:02:51 PM EST
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OK. You are the one who just made references to "where I live" and that you are "persona non grata in France" (as opposed to? Belgium? Italy? Thailand?). I was trying to understand your point.

If you don't want to elaborate, we'll of course respect your choice. Just don't expect your statements to be taken at face value if you choose not to back them by facts and figures.

by Bernard (bernard) on Thu Jan 20th, 2022 at 09:08:08 PM EST
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to France -> green | orange | red vaccination status ->
compelling reasons

Mandatory vaccination at third-country point of origin is irrelevant to France entry. France imposes mandatory vaccination.

by Cat on Thu Jan 20th, 2022 at 10:57:42 PM EST
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